Daily Hand Quiz

Voted to raise and I would go AI. Stack size makes other-sized raises awkward, and also may get other hands that are currently ahead to fold, e.g. 77. If the V has TT- (excl sets), we are a fav to make our hand by the river. The pot would be a nice addition as is.

Calling and hitting may not get us paid-off, while missing puts us in a tough spot whether to c-c or c-f OTT. If we lead and get called, we will miss the river most of time, forcing us to surrender.

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Shove it. Thanks to our image we may even get him off top pair, with him thinking we are tight and probably on an overpair

Calling would be bad. We have lots of fold equity shoving since we are tight, and we are against an aggro villian who may well have nothing or a weak hand. We also have good equity when called, and we aren’t deep at all.

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Standard semi-bluff shove here. Flop is likely to have missed villain so fold equity is huge. Beside the obvious flush draw we can usually count the aces amongst our outs if v looks us up with an overpair. As an added benefit we discourage c-betting into us.

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Pirate21 Reply:
May 19th, 2011 at 11:43 am

I’d say jacks are also among our outs pretty often here.
QQ+ and sets are the very top of V’s range and he probably has at least as often.

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I would men the flop, then attend the him parade.

P.S You are all fags.

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James Richardson Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 9:39 am

You sicken me Gaytech.

I’ve mastered hold em and this is a fold pre. As played check fold the flop. Ace high is no good.

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T Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 9:49 am

Get a room dudes

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Spaztech Reply:
May 21st, 2011 at 2:37 pm

I have many room’s.

Also I think this is a standard all in pre-flop blind, just don’t look at your cards. Works every time.

Seems like a pretty standard c-bet / position play to me. I’m not entirely convinced that we’re behind here – let’s think it through…
- Agg opponent w/ double our stack
- Tight(ish) hero OOP checks
- Junky flop

V sees it unlikely that the flop helped us – especially when we check. V should c-bet here at least 80% (likely more).
I think our shove only gets called by the top of his range (over pairs, sets) and maybe KXc/QXc. Since we’re statistically ahead of that range, and way ahead of the rest of his range, I think we want to get it all in here.

My only question is whether to shove now or call/shove the turn (stop n go).
I can go with either approach – probably just depends which you think disguises your hand better.
I think the c/r looks stronger, and the stop n go is probably going to be harder for V to dissect – so, maybe better chance we get him to make a mistake.

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general johnson jameson Reply:
May 22nd, 2011 at 3:53 pm

Careful there. Nothing we do here is going to disguise our hand. check/shipping it is pretty obvious what we have. Our biggest tool here is simply our chips, and using all of them for leverage. Assuming he has a hand, we can only win by getting him to fold or improving. All we’re hoping for here is that he folds, and if he doesn’t, we’re assuming we have 12 clean outs.

I think stop and go is terrible here. Assuming he has a hand, we’re hoping it comes a scare card to get him to fold. If it comes a red brick, and we ship it, if he felt his hand was good on the flop, he’s still calling. And now we have 1 pull instead of the fear of 2. If it comes K or Q, we don’t know if those are scare cards for him, he easily could be c-betting AQ or AK here. And if the A shows up, and we ship it, our kicker may not even be good. Every part of this move is made difficult because we really don’t know where he sits in the hand.

Stop N Go on the turn may confuse him, but if he calls we’re in trouble, and he won’t have made any mistakes. It is hard to sell that move because 1) what are we saying we have that would flat, check/call, then ship full pot size bet all in? and 2) we have zero reason to think he is strong enough (or at all) to not be able to fold to the stop n go to make it appear it is for value. Thus it reads as pretty transparent that we want him to fold. 3) Stop N Go doesn’t get any more of his money in the pot. So we’re reducing our leverage by an entire half, before we make him make a decision for all the rest of the chips.

So I’d go for it here. Most of the time he probably has nothing here (his flop bet seems weak to me, seems he wants to spend as little as possible to get a fold, even aggressive players would go higher than half pot with 99 here to protect, or value hands like AA against our tight image cuz we probably have something that will pay it off). Our biggest chance to win here is brute forcing a fold, and if he has the goods, we have 2 pulls at 9 wins worst case. The whole point of this scenario is not for value, but because we have a shitload of pot equity against his range, and we have a shit load of fold equity if he isn’t strong (and we have no reason to think he’s strong at all.) Get them all in there, and put HIM to the decision to gamble for half his stack, despite us basically flipping our hand over, it still isn’t an easy call to make even if we showed him. If we stop and go he gets to see 50% before we force the tough decision. No no no!

Arrr-in

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I’m curious how many votes Fold would have gotten here. But I’m shoving for the reasons mentioned above. No way do I call here oop. I don’t like stop and go here because we 70% miss the turn and have only 30% chance to improve otr or we 30% hit the turn and likely induce a fold. Shoving now makes v decision harder. Calling now makes our decision harder. IMO.

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Short stack at this table, I’d say raise all in. We have 2 overs and a nut flush draw. V is likely to have a weak pair, straight draw or flush draw. Sometimes we can have the best hand here. If V calls, it’s still about a coin flip. But we might not have another chance to have a big hand (with 20 BB left) and it’s time to make a stand. Calling is wierd and give us tougher decision on the turn, plus it might kill V’s action.

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Robert Reply:
May 20th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

when another club hits.. ops it didn’t show on my first one.

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I don’t like the flat pre here oop… with 20bb five-handed I’m 3bet/calling here every time pre. But as played I shove, as we have a ton of fold equity and good hand equity if called.

If we were a little deeper I might c/c this flop and lead the the turn, but the problem here is that a flat OTF only leaves us with 1PSB.

I think an argument in favour of flatting in this situation is to balance our range. Shoving pretty much turns our hand face up – would we do this with a strong made hand? We weren’t getting setmining odds pre, so villain will probably take small/medium pairs out of our range. Premium hands we-re likely to have 3bet pre. Check/shoving this flop screams FD or air, but I’m still doing it to put the decision on villain.

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It exposes the hand but there is genuinely no other way to play this than to just simply fold right here on the flop. There is simply no way JJ or better folds here, but some of the smaller pairs may with max chip leverage since they’ll feel they’re dodging 15 outs instead of 12.

Put the pressure on and see if he wants to gamble half his stack, our decision to go all in is wayyyy easier than his decision to call with whatever he’s got (esp at this stage in tourney).

Do you mean you’re 3bet / calling all-in to a 4 bet pre?

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Morat Reply:
May 24th, 2011 at 2:57 am

Why do we think that a blind stealing aggro player is ahead here on a board that misses both of us 85% of the time?
All-in obv. He’ll fold most often, but when he calls with a pair we will still have around 45%-50% equity.

And pre should’ve been a shove as well, being shortstacked AND way ahead of his stealing range.

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I would re-raise small, so it looked as if we hit something.

He will then Fold, Call, or Re-Raise All-In. If he Calls, we simply ship the Turn regardless of what hits. If he pushes all-in, we know that he probably has a 99+ and can make the decision about whether or not to gamble.

By pushing all in after his raise, we are stating that we have either:

a) Hit Top Pair
b) On a Draw (straight or flush)

If the villain has a high PP, he will always be calling, and will win 75% of the time.

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Raise definetely. you ve got the best chances that u could in this flop. if u call and fold in a blanc-card on turn that makes bad ur call because u did it for 1 only card and above 18% chances if the other player has trips or 2pair. u have above 35% to get ur flush in flop, thats the best u can catch in this hand and the best moment to throw ur money even all of them is on flop…

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seems a pretty obv raise spot and i think it has to be all in.
Dont like flatting coz it puts you in a tough spot on any blank turn cards. Even if you turn an o/s ace you don’t know if your ahead as opponent could just barreling like aq/ak.If you are happy to flat and then give up on a blank turn thats fine leaving you with 14 bb’s though you will probably have to go into push fold mode.
you have an effective stack and its more than possible you can get opponent to fold better hands. small pairs such as 33/44/66/77 could all fold. Wosrt case scenario you run into top of his range like small set and you still have equity and outs on the turn and the riv.
I dont think you can raise fold with your stack size so all in.
You also might get a call by flush draw that you are crushing.
seems like a board that an aggressivwe player would cbet 99% of the time espesh if you checked to him and have shown to be tight.
all me chips

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