
Game type: $150 rebuy, Full Tilt Poker
Stage of tourney: Mid stages
Your image: n/a
Opponent’s image: n/a
Your hand: Q♦Q♣
The setup: You were just moved to this table and are basically readless on everyone. You get QQ in the SB. An early position player limps and the table folds to you. You raise to a little under 3x. The BB folds and the limper calls. The flop comes:
It’s your action. What’s your play?
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Your board is rainbow and you have the nuts so far. There is no need to scare the villain off at the flop. Check and hope he makes a bet. If he checks, I’d lead out small on the turn.
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Voted for lead small, about 3k.
This would be a good spot for a cbet ordinarily with only one opponent and first to act, checking may look suspicious to him.
Any hand containing a J will stick around, any hand with the case Q, and hands on a straight draw like K10 or 9 10.
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Joker Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 8:51 am
And with any 2 cards lower than a 10, we are unlikely to get paid whatever we do
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Voted to check-call, but would also balance by leading a significant portion of the time.
In this particular case, V has played the hand a little passively up to now and I’d like to keep him around a little longer.
If V checks behind, I’d sway toward leading the turn – maybe a little less than 1/2 pot.
If V bets, I’d call and lead out on any turn.
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Agree with the Pirate that we should alternate a bit between check/call and lead (small) in this spot.
I do tend more towards leading in this spot. As Joker said, the flop is great for a c-bet, so it’s the most expected move.
We have no read, but the villain limp/calls heads up against the shallow stacked hero, which in itself is somewhat remarkable.
- We can easily be up against a tricky villain with AA/KK, somewhat disappointed in the mild success of their trap, but determined to stack us. We’ll have to feed the delusion that they’re slowplaying the best hand. -> lead
- If the villain is of the loose passive variety (fish), there are certainly jacks in his range, but also a lot of whiffed broadways and small-to-medium pairs. He’ll then sooner call a modest bet than lead out if we check. -> lead
- The tight passive villain, unless he has the unlikely fourth Q, will be scared away by any action, he might venture a bet though probably not sooner than the turn. -> check
- Thinking players ranging LAG-TAG who play the pf like this will generally not just fold to our c-bet. There were no odds for them to mine with a drawing hand. They’ll have noticed our stack lacks post-flop flexibility (a term I just made up). They’ll be expecting a c-bet. -> lead
- Finally, a maniac will shove whatever we do
So either check/call and lead the turn as Pirate suggested, or lead and if v just calls, check most turns (because we’ve “given up”). Call a shove, obviously.
Check/raise is pointless, it just maximizes fold equity which is the last thing we want.
Lead big requires a better read, and a loose image.
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I voted check-raise, and here’s why:
Most of the time, we’re not getting much action here, no matter what line we pick. The situations we really want to exploit are 33 or QJ, where we want to double through him — and AT, KT, K9 or T9, where we want to charge him a lot to try to outdraw us.
Secondarily, we’d also like to get a probe bet out of a middle pair if he thinks we’re maybe on an AK that missed, or if he wants to semibluff with a draw.
All three of the top vote-getting lines are plausible, and one could make a case for mixing them up (c/c, c/r and lead/small.) I picked c/r mostly because it has a slightly better profile against the hands that matter.
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Blue Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
check raise and announce you have a set? lolnoob
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Major Dude Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Well, sonny, they must not check-raise much where you play. Our line is totally consistent with AQ or an aggro player trying to make a move with a OESD or even 99/TT. Remember, we’re new at the table. No one knows how we play.
If Villain has nothing, we’re not going to get much out of him regardless. It’s very easy for him to release a limped/called hand that hasn’t worked out.
If Villain has something, the only way this pot is getting big is if somebody gets to work building it. I think we’re less transparent with a c/r than by leading out both flop and turn.
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Theman Reply:
April 25th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Hands that you lead with:
AK, air, AT, 67s type hands
Hands that you checkraise this flop with:
QQ,JJ,33
lol – way to not get paid
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cbet obviously.
We can be cbetting here with AK, AT and other missed hands. To balance we obviously need to lead super strong hands like QQ.
To those wanting to check flop and bet turn, betting flop and checking turn is sooo much better purely for balancing reasons.
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Lead half the pot or check call, if V have anything he might try to bet and take it down right here. If we lead we wanna make it look like a C bet, V will probably call with middle pair or AK (even hands such as 9-10s if he called loose), but I think this board V will whip a lot of times, and we might chase him away where we could trap him when he improves.
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I’d check because it’s hard for villain to have anything (even more when we block 2 queens) and hero doesn’t have the stacksize to value-bet for 3 streets.
If he has AA,KK the chips will go in the middle no matter what.
Checking would also give villain the chance to hit something on the turn he could call with or let villain bluff the flop with air and shove the turn with a picked up draw.
With top pair I would c-bet for half the pot but with top set it’s a standard check for me. It also mixes up my range a bit.
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