Nuts Multi-way, NL Cash | Daily Hand Quiz

Game type: 1/2 No Limit Cash Game
Your image: You’ve been quiet
Misc notes: Opponent is very tight
Your hand: 7♣6♣

The Setup: You’ve been playing a fairly quiet game so far in this full ring NL cash session when the following hand comes up.

There’s a call and a few folds ahead of you, and then the player to your right, who has been very tight, raises to $8. You call, a player in later position calls, the blinds fold and the limper calls, putting $35 in the middle.

You flop the nuts:

5♦8♠9♦

The EP limper checks, and the PF raiser quickly bets about the pot: $34. You have the player covered by roughly $100, and you’re about equal with the stacks of the other players in the hand. What’s your play?

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samo

Fold PF as you do not have implied odds to call. As played, raise 2.5-3x hoping Player C can’t get away from big pp. There is also a FD to protect from.

Calling may allow other players to enter and draw-out.

If Player C calls, go AI on a non-diamond turn.

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b1aze

19:1 implied isnt good enough implied odds with C? I disagree. I think these sorts of hands are perfect to play against a nitty player and assuming hes probably on a big over pair after the flop lead, im looking for every chance to get it all in here.

Now the problem here is stack sizes. His PSB OTF really kinda messes up his stack:pot ratio imo. Any sizeable raise here is going to give him <.75PSB assuming only C calls.

Flat calling here on the other hand gives 3:1 to F. I guess i dont put C on much of a flush draw, unless hes got exactly AdKd/AdQd, so i think i discount any potential flush draws from his range.

I maybe minraise him here? Essentially pricing out the rest of the players from drawing to much while leaving room for C to come over the top. Though a minraise will look pretty strong, putting a lot of sets in our range and if C is a thinking player, could probably lay down his BPP and we lose value.

Bah, this is such a wierd spot. Im almost tempted to flat and take my chances on skirting another Diamond or pairing the board…

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samo Reply:
April 7th, 2011 at 8:18 am

If effective stacks were deeper, say 200bbs, I agree you would have implied odds. However, what do you expect to flop that will eventually net a 25-1 payout?

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Pirate21 Reply:
April 7th, 2011 at 8:27 am

I agree with the min-raise.
It should get A&F to fold anything short of sets or maybe JTd. If V doesn’t fold, there’s a pretty good chance we’re getting it all in the middle either now or on the turn.

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Major Dude Reply:
April 7th, 2011 at 8:33 am

Min-raise is fine by me. I don’t think C folds his overpair. He could put us on TT/JJ or JT when he has QQ+.

Tight players have been waiting all evening to bet all their chips on a premium pair. It’s very hard for them to realize that they waited in vain.

Pirate is right – we’re asking to be outdrawn if we call and let everyone else stick around.

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Aces n Eights

I think you def have to raise here. I’m not worried about C – it’s the other 2 that are a concern.

I think this is a classic spot where people fall into “Fancy Play Syndrome”. Sure you flopped the nuts but your hand can’t really improve. However, it could shrink real quick. There are very few “safe” turn cards.

Better to raise and price out the drawing hands now and go heads up against the (almost to obvious) big PP.

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Pirate21

Agree with the raisers here. We are good now, but I don’t really want to see more cards fall without getting F & A out of the hand.
Cards we’d rather not see:
Any diamond (11), tens(3), jacks(3), queens(3), sevens(2) eights or nines(5). That’s 27 of the remaining 47 cards in the deck.
I’m comfortable that we’re well ahead of player C and we just need dodge his runner runner FH draws. On the other hand, each of the other two players can have a variety of draws and/or combo-draws.

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