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He probably has the other two aces, lol.

It looks like he’s got a monster too, so just get it in now. No need to get tricky here. If he folds and we just take his 700, that’s fine, and he’ll think again before pulling a move like that on us (as will the rest of the table).

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i don’t think he has a hand at all. we have no reads cuz its early, so he has no reads either, which means he has no reason to think anyone will raise and he can be trappy with his goods. plus, being trappy at 25/50 is pretty stupid, as risking a common 5 way limp flop at 25 blinds vs. an extra 250 chips is a pretty awful trade off.

he probably thinks we are just pinching the limpers and trying to pick it up, and he feels we’re making a move, so he’s making a move on us. its a decent play from his side, cuz if we ship it he can fold, and if he’s right, he collects. its more likely we’re just making a move, since what we did is so common and predictable, and its a lot easier for us to decide right now that oh look we have a hand than it is to actually have one.

we still have to ship it though. cuz if we only call, we’re inviting trouble. he could have any 2 cards, and we are going to have to bet any flop that comes, and the only way we are going to get action is if he hits that flop hella hard, and if thats the case its probably going to be more than just a pair or gutter draw, and we’re in trouble.

there is no way we get called, but if there was a way we could define his hand a little bit more then i’d be more inclined to just call. but i cannot think of a way to do that without getting more expensive, or having to potentially make some tough decisions post flop out of position in a bloated pot, and there is no reason to have to do that this early on with no reads. no way. just ship it, and be happy with the 1/3 stack increase.

also, calling sets up goofy stack/pot ratio, where we’re just a bit bigger than pot size, but we have to bet any flop at all cuz we cannot risk him checking behind for free, which means we’ll have to fire about 8-900, and if that gets called leaves us with a 1/3 pot sized shove on the turn, which looks very suspect as it wreaks of strength. no one sets themself up for an unfoldable shove size without super strength. even bad players don’t do this. no need to have to try and navigate through all of this early on.

arrr-in, but not for value cuz there isn’t going to be any.

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If I had position I might be inclined to call and invite a c-bet on the flop.
But OOP I’m getting it all in now and happy whether he calls or folds.
He has to respect our AI 4-bet if he’s not a complete donk (less likely at the $150 level), so I figure his calling range is pretty narrow this early on.

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Hero has a solid history, which the V may be aware of. V thinking tournament savvy Hero is pulling a squeeze? Could be over-thinking, but I’m inclined to flat here and let the V contribute OTF, with the intention to CR.

Raising is fine as you are getting $ in ahead, while charging the V to see a flop which could crack your hand. I’ll shoulder the risk.

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Pirate21 Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

Problem is that you are OOP post-flop, so in order to let V contribute more chips, you’ll have to check the flop.
This gives V the opportunity to check behind (which he does with sets, made straights/flushes, or air) or to push (which he may do with 2pr, draws, sets, or ATC).
If he checks behind, he gets to see 80% of the board before he is required to act (assuming we’re not checking the turn also) and thus dramatically increasing the amount of info he has to make his decision.
Add to this that we have no read on our opponent, so we don’t even know what cards to worry about.
We know we have the nuts right now. There’s very little chance that will still be true after the flop, so why would we want to put ourselves in a bad position?

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samo Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

True, the play is risky. Nevertheless, V will only hit the flop a small % of the time. Any pr they hit, we are already beating. Sets, 2 pr, flushes, etc. are rare at best, as you know. I’m banking Hero call PF+check OTF=V bet OTF.

Could be checked until the turn, yes, however, flopped draws only hit a minority of the time.

We are getting zero incremental value unless they are holding a big pp, and if they do there will be action OTF anyway.

No read on the V could also be a positive, not necesarily a negative. Slow-playing AA against a lag may be profitable.

As mentioned, I also see the raise as a viable option as well.

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Blue Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

“This gives V the opportunity to check behind (which he does with sets, made straights/flushes, or air)”

who checks behind straights/flushes/sets lol?

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Pirate21 Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

People wanting to extract value from those hands.

Fold… he clearly has us beat!

Just throw your chips in there and get it over with. If he’s got a real hand he is calling if not, we add a good chunk to our stack.

Calling is just a good way to get yourself into trouble here. It would be a potential minefield, random cards, awkward stack sizes and a bloated pot.

One minor gripe… how come we have a “solid” image yet we are one of the smallest stacks at the table and are holding less than the average stack?

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Pirate21 Reply:
March 15th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

“You’re an established tournament player with a very solid win rate.”

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I like a call here. He’s repping AA. Actually, he’s got about 0,1% chance to hold exactly that. Which leaves about 99,9% chance that he’s doing something stupid. Just let him continue repping.

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V raises $450 on top of our $250 raise, his raise is $200(1.8x) more than our initial raise. he may actually have KK, QQs, maybe even some other top ten hand (or personal favorite hand).
If V is willing to come out of the woodwork, let’s keep V around. Let’s raise $700 on top of his $450 which is ($250 more than his $450) which would be to count out $1150 to be placed in the pot, leaving us $1430 left for the next bet. It sounds like we’re bloating the pot, but then again maybe it sounds to V like we have AKs, KK, or some favorite hand we’re playing strangely….

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if a player raised us continually either incrementally or geometrically (yet not all-in) if we both had chips left, what would they have?
shouldn’t we just keep raising since we don’t want them to call or fold, but we want them to fold after putting more money in the pot??? they don’t want to fold, but we refuse to fold or call? why bet all in if we obviously have ‘em beat 7 out of 8 times.
Ask the statisticians, isn’t it 270,724 to 1, for 2 players to have AA???

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Re-raise to 1400 and shove all flop

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agree the first hand was played teirbrly, After the min 3 bet I wouldve put in a big 4 bet for sure. Once he flats the 4 bet in this spot (the min 4bet) he could easily have all the hands you mentioned although I don’t think it’s likely he has AJ or even really AQ here, but you never know. I don’t think I would’ve Cbet this flop just because whatever it is that he flatted a 4 bet PF he would be betting, and also once you cbet the flop here you’re basically committing your stack

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