Second nuts with tons of action, NL Cash

Game type: 5/10 NL
Your image: Very active and solid early on, have tightened up recently with the addition of more players.
Your hand: 7♦5♦

The setup: Preflop, you limp with the 7d 5d, and the tables folds to the CO who limps along. The button limps, SB completes, BB checks. The flop looks decent for you…

9♥6♠4♦

… and the table checks around. The turn is a gem:

8♥

… and that’s when the action starts. The SB overbets to 90, BB calls 90. You raise to 270, and the CO (out of nowhere) pushes all in with a tremendous overbet to 1600. The button folds, and the SB and BB, both short stacks, both call all in.

What’s your play with the second nut straight in this spot?

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_CityBorn_

can’t fold the second nuts here. first of all, player D is the only one we care about, and hes the least likely to be in there with something like 10/7. of course its possible, but if youre going to fold the 2nd nuts everytime someone jams youre going to missing out on a LOT of value in the long run. the two blinds came along too, do they all have 10/7?

besides, if he had the absolute nuts, im not sure he jams yet. hes got position, and it seems like just flatting our raise would be likelier to get the blinds in and let us fire again on the river where he could then jam and we’d be priced in. he’d only have to worry about 9 outs max for a flush draw at that point since the blinds’ stacks are negligible and we wouldnt have raised the turn with a 10/J straight draw.

if he got lucky enough to turn the nuts while we happened to catch 2nd nuts, thats just a cooler. reload.

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Tia

I’d call. The only real hand here might be in the BB imo. CO never shoves with the nut straight and we can win, if not both the pots, a huge side pot.

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blue

Call ldo we have a straight.

Only bad thing about this hand was limping preflop, obv raising there is better. If we raise preflop i expect we can cbet the flop and take it down a decent % of the time.

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general johnson jameson

what are we going to do, fold? get it all in there. we may have to dodge a heart, paired board, or a 7, but so be it. its always so odd when everyone explodes on a single card.

i’ll gladly take this situation 100 times over.

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Negreanu

I love all you callers. I flip over my favourite hand, T-7, and rake a HUGE pot. Thanks morons

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Major Dude Reply:
January 31st, 2011 at 8:05 am

Or maybe you flip over 98 and hope your two pair improves. Or you flip over hearts and hope for a flush.

I’ll take my chances. Thanks for the chips.

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Pirate21 Reply:
January 31st, 2011 at 9:00 am

If T-7 is really your favorite hand, you may want to seriously re-think your starting hand standards.

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Waste_Of_Paint

Easiest quiz ever seen on here. Folding would be utterly ridiculous. Call and fistpump.

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Pirate21

Math alone should tell us to call. Calling 1330 to win 2280 is ~1.7 to 1.
We only have to be good here a little over half the time and I’m pretty sure CO isn’t shoving the nuts here more than that.

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The Poker Meister Reply:
January 31st, 2011 at 1:58 pm

Don’t have a problem with calling. While I can very much see CO “protecting” his set and/or T7, I doubt he is pushing a Ah7h/Xh7h -type multi-way draw on the turn.

However, there is a two-fold consideration here, which I’m surprised hasn’t been mentioned:

First, note that he’s overbet shoving 160 BB(!!!) into the pot. This is not just a simple full stack fistpump call. Due to the fact that you’re so deep, I think your call requires extra consideration.

Second, what is CO’s W$SD, and what has his prior behavior been? Is he the type to “protect” hands that he feels are the nuts? Is he the type to bluff shove? Since he’s on the CO, is his attempt to steal % high? Does he limp small pocket pairs? Is he capable of shoving a slow-played AA?

Clearly, I’m 100% calling the bluff shoving type – the type who gives no consideration to stack sizes, etc. Also, I’m calling the guy who can slow play AA, or has a low attempt to steal % – this hand just smacks of a great opportunity for CO to steal a limped pot.

However, I’m giving much more careful consideration to the conservative, nuts-only player, who I’m presuming this player to be. He could have easily limped T7. Given that there are only 3 7′s remaining in the deck, I have to weight his holdings far greater to sets / combo draws (JhTh / XhTh / Xh7h) than the nuts for the current board. I’m really happy to see him show up with AA or two pair (98).

Therefore, I call and pray that each of my opponents hold each other’s outs (i.e. all have sets or two pair hands).

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Jeff

As soon as the quiz mentions “2nd nuts”…

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