Combo draw vs call-happy opponents, NL cash

Game type: 5/10 No Limit cash on Full Tilt
Your image: Fairly aggressive
Opponent’s image: The button has been a little tilty and loose; the blind has been fairly TAG.
Your hand: 6♣5♣

The setup: You’ve been involved in a few pots so far this session but you’ve yet to really get any big hands or momentum. You’re up against a fairly tight opponent in the blind and a looser, possibly tilting opponent on the button.

In this hand, UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, you limp and the table folds to the button, who calls. The blinds call and check, and you flop strong:

3♣9♦7♣

The SB thinks and then leads for $40. The BB folds, UTG +1 folds, and you decide to make a play at the pot, and you raise to $155. Somewhat to your surprise, the button thinks for a bit and flat calls and the SB elects to call as well.

The turn misses your draw with the K♥. The SB checks. There’s over $500 in the middle and it’s your action. What’s your play with the double gut and flush draw?

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general johnson jameson

wow. its amazing how much harder it is to play a multi pot. HU this is almost auto pilot. the SB has to be on some kind of draw with a pair. if he had the goods 2 pair or better he would have either blasted our flop raise or bet hard on turn. his call and check suggests he only called cuz the price is too good and he does actually have a hand. but not the kind hes willing to go broke with with all the action. this usually is pair + draw. the button is much more confusing to me. he limps and then cold calls 2 bets. he is loose but what does that mean here? this is the wettest possible board we could dream up for a 5 way limped pot. i think if he had an actual hand hed protect it. he must be on a crazy draw like we are. if we were in his spot i could see cold calling 2 bets. JTc, maybe 2 high clubs. 2 overs and a flush draw is playable for a loose player. esp if his Kc just paired up.

im probly more cautious here. im not convinced our outs are actually good. 2 players willing to passively dump that much cash into that board makes my spider sense flair up. i cannot imagine at least one isnt possibly on a better clover draw and our 8 is no good to JT which is very possible here. we went 4x on a reraise and no one behind us went away and no one went higher. that shit is scary. we have to check here. if we can pull a freebie lets take it. the pot is already way too bloated and im not convinced our draws are for the nuts. id hate to bet a third of our stack here just to get put all in by the button. i dont think the K changed a thing unless someone has Kc.

so i check. wow what a bizarre scenario.

one other idea i have is to over bet all in right here and hope for folds. i may want a few more reads. and if im right about other draws crushing us then we just threw a grand into a wood chipper. nice. but i might try this just cuz i really dont want to check and brick river and give up a pot this huge so easy. so all in might maximize our equity but if were called and my spider sense was right then we are in forehead deep in shit with a snorkel.

what a goofy spot.

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Nelson Reply:
December 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am

General – I’m check/folding here if someone bets. I hate this spot and totally agree with you about how all of our outs probably are not true outs. On a totally different note, I know this is coming out of left field, but why do you call those cards “Clovers”. They are “Clubs”. Is it a regional thing?…

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don Reply:
December 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am

“a third of our stack”?! It’s cash

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Pirate21

As much as I’d love to see the river for free, I think we’re better off semi-bluff betting here. If we check, we’re telegraphing our hand and begging the button to bet.
A bet here may get a fold from drawing hands(maybe less likely to continue with only the river to come. Also, a bet here acts as a blocker to keep the button from bluffing us off our hand.

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Major Dude Reply:
December 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am

It would be great if we could size a blocking bet that worked — but I don’t think we can. If we bet too small, no one goes away and we’re at risk of being raised by SB or Button if they have a made hand.

If we jam, we’ll fold out SB if he’s on a pair/draw – but just end up donating him all our chips if he’s got a set. (Hard read.) Button may stick around regardless of what we do, including with dubious hands that beat us for now. If he’s tilty, we’ve got no fold equity there.

We really don’t know for sure where we are on this hand, and the pot has become too big for us to gain affordable wisdom by betting. I’m not thrilled with letting Button try to buy this pot with a big turn bet, but I think the specter of SB having a real hand may keep Button honest.

I voted check, figuring that the river either leaves us with an obvious fold or a hand where we’re 100% willing to make a stand.

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samo

I’m check-folding.

A TAG blind leading into multiple opponents OTF tells me they have more than a draw. Would not be suprised to see top-2, 77, or 33. I think a draw would have c-c, further evidenced by the flat call of a substantial raise.

While oop against the B, not that concerned given their image. The SB could be trapping however, hoping to CR fairly agg Hero and loose-calling B in hopes that they hit the K.

Leading – what is the plan if called by either or both opponents? Do we take stab on the river? We fold to a CR and fold to a river bet, no? I see more $ flowing out w/o clean outs, and slim chance of $ flowing in.

We can’t go back, but I would not have raised OTF against multiple opponents. Based on our image the raise itself appears transparent, i.e drawing hand, imo. Into 2 opponents or HU, ok.

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John Kugelman

I’m betting and calling a shove. I’m fine committing to this line and getting stacks in. If we get called by both players that just gives us better odds to hit our big draw. I’m not thrilled about stacking off but I can’t figure out how to fold such a pretty, pretty hand.

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Pirate21 Reply:
December 22nd, 2010 at 1:58 pm

Agree with you John.
If we’re going to play 65s, we can’t really hope for a much better flop. If we’re going to get scared away when people call our flop bet, we need to stop playing these types of hands.

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Waste_of_Paint Reply:
December 22nd, 2010 at 6:05 pm

Disagree with both of you. Yes, it was a pretty flop, and yes, we couldn’t have hoped for a much better one. But four other people saw the same flop and two of them still want to tango (!) despite our beefed-up raise. We’ve missed the turn, only have a 34% chance of improving and even if we do we very well may still be crushed.

Playing hands like 65s doesn’t mean we have to tunnel-vision into getting everything in as soon as we catch a good draw. When a good situation turns ugly, we need to be able to throw caution to the wind. It is very, very unlikely we are going to take the pot down here with a bet, and extremely likely that we’re going to have to commit more than is currently in the pot by taking the raise/call line, and that is surely bonkers now that we’re here.

“If we’re going to get scared away when people call our flop bet, we need to stop playing these types of hands.” – I don’t think we’re getting scared, I think we are being sensible. I would have been happy to get this all

This is one of the few quizzes on here where I don’t think we’ve made a mistake up to the point of the situation. Limping was fine and I love the flop raise. But now I think we have to slow down.

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