
Game type: $1k freezeout on PokerStars
Stage of tourney: Two tables remain
Your image: Fairly tight
Opponent’s image: Aggressive, solid winner
Your hand: A♣J♣
The setup: You’re deep in this $1,000 buy in tournament. 15 players remain when the following hand comes up.
You’re dealt AJs in the BB. Two players fold and the next player raises to a bit under 3x. The table folds around to you and you three bet to a little over 3x his raise. The original raiser thinks a bit and then pushes all in.
What’s your play? Would your answer change if you had 55? AQo?
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I had this exact same hand recently in vaguely similar circumstances… I was down to the last three players in a big multi on Pokerstars and I got AJ of clubs. My stack was 1.5million-ish and the other two guys both had about 3.5million. The button raised and I 3bet from the big blind, the guy shoved. I tanked for a bit and eventually made the call, he turned over AK.
I’m folding here because I think we’re crushed far too often. We have a tight image and despite showing real strength, our solid opponent still says he wants to tango. I don’t think he is risking three quarters of his stack here with anything less than TT+/AK despite his image. We came over the top to find out where we stand and we got our answer – throw it away and find a better spot.
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Fold.
The best we can hope for is a flip, while a significant portion of V’s 4-bet range has us dominated. At the same time, there are no hands in his range that we would dominate. Bad spot, let it go and move on.
FWIW I would likewise fold 55 and AQ and call with AA-TT, AK.
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I’d actually flat call this pre, but anyway, now we’re here…..
I would fold. I know it says he is aggro but he would have to be close to maniacal for me to call here. As Waste of Paint says he should be giving us respect for a hand as we’re tight, also he’s raising from a pretty early position and putting in a big % of his stack. Finally we still have 30 big blinds left if we fold.
Just because he’s aggressive doesn’t mean he can’t get dealt a hand.
I suppose you could make a counter argument saying he’s trying to push us off the hand, or that he expects someone to play back, or that we have a decent price, but I don’t think AJ is good enough.
I’d find it difficult to lay AQ down though. It’s just too pwetty against an aggro player
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fold. youre not beating anything he’s doing this with. hes aggressive, but a solid winner, and i doubt hes donking around here with a/9. its possible youre racing as a slight dog, but theres a chunk of his range that has you crushed, and theres still plenty of room to play poker if you lay this down here.
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Fold.
As pretty as AJs looked when you checked your cards, it turned ugly as soon as V shoved over our 3-bet. As Rowdy said, I’d rather flat pre and see a flop rather than give an aggressive opponent such a nice opening to take our chips.
As played, I agree that we’re not ahead of any hand we can reasonably put V on and he has no reason to shove without a hand that’s ahead of us.
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Really? 37% of the voters chose call?
I’d really like to hear that argument made, because I really can’t think of any argument to call here. His range mostly has you crushed and you aren’t completely in desperation mode yet, although you are getting closer.
His image is aggressive but a solid winner, and he’s proven by his actions that he is willing to roll here. He raised in early position got RR by a fairly tight player & shoved. If he is making a move here he certainly is disguising it well.
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I’d fold and move forward.
Solid EP raises, then shoves over tight Hero 3-bet. I don’t they are doing this with TT- or A10 … could be, but can’t see making a “hero” call at his stage.
FWIW, I don’t mind the 3-bet – we gathered info and now see we are likely beat. I would also fold AQo and 55.
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Aggressive winning players know when to fold. In the face of a tight player, a villain is not 4-betting worse than TT here.
I do agree with the 3-bet because a lot worse than TT is in his initial betting range.
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As the question states, I fold.
A few things though, since I’m in the minority here. I think the 3 bet here is absolutely awful.
First, I think people sometimes forget how expensive 3 betting gets. For us to do that here, it carries a vicious price tag, we just dropped a quarter of our stack 3 betting this guy, only to fold it away. This is atrocious. Now unless this guy has raised our BB constantly, and we are finally taking a stand, that is one thing. But there is no need to drop this many chips on what is essentially a bluff. Giving him the option to come over the top, basically turn this hand into a bluff, since now we are going to fold.
Second, look at what we could have done instead. We are heads up against him, so I don’t think there’s a need to apply pressure here, unless we are taking a stand, and if that is the case, we should have shoved instead of 3 bet folding(!!!). (God that’s atrocious just to type that phrase). Also, AJ is a pretty good hand against an aggressive range, why would we 3 bet this into a range we are way ahead of. Unless we’re taking a stand.
Instead, we could have gone all the way to a turn card for a cheaper price than it would have cost just to 3 bet fold. To flat is roughly ~3.7k. Then lets say we call even a heavier C-bet just for sake of argument, that is gonna be about ~5k. So there. We could have seen a 6 card hand for 3k cheaper than it would have for us to see no cards, and then fold.
Why would we not want to see a flop with a medium suited ace that is likely ahead of an aggro range? What are we afraid of here that we are 3 betting? Just because we’re out of position? Nonsense. At least by the flop we should have an idea if we want to continue with the hand, and for sure by the turn we will know this, and also we should have a good idea of about where we’re at then too.
And we could have done all of this, and saved roughly 4k on top of it.
Horrible 3 bet spot.
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Easy Fold.
Should just flat call pre-flop and try to hit minimum 2 pairs. But Raising is not a bad play as we need to test the opponent as we will play this hand OOP.
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