
Game type: $50 freezeout, PokerStars
Stage of tourney: Early
Your image: Tight
Opponent’s image: No read
Your hand: Q♣Q♦
The setup: You’ve been playing pretty tight in the early stages of this MTT when the following hand comes up. You get QQ in EP and decide to limp, as the table has been pretty aggressive. You’re disappointed by folds behind; the SB completes and the BB checks. The flop seems safe enough:
3♠2♣9♠
The SB checks, the BB bets 100 and you raise to 350. The SB folds and the BB thinks for a bit before moving all in. What’s your play?
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He could easily have 32, 93, 92, 22, 33 here, but he could also have 45, Ax of spades, Kx of spades or 2x of spades.
And argument fo calling is that he may play this flop very aggressively because we’re not likely to hit it.
An argument for folding is that we’re playing from early position and have a tight image, so he might only do this with the nuts.
Two crucial questions to answer would be
1) Does he think we’re capable of laying down an overpair?
2) Does he think we’re capable of bluffraising the flop?
The question does not state any read on the BB other than that the table’s been aggressive. I voted call.
(I play at $0.01/$0.02, so don’t take anything I say seriously).
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1. I would never have limped QQ in EP.
2. We have no info on the player in the BB.
– is he a reg or a random, or even a fish?
3. A reg would not get it in w/ just one pair, no draw, at least middle pair w/ a flushdraw. All kinds of hands he could have here. Oesfd, two pair, or even a set. Fish would get it in w/ tpnk, in which case we would snap him.
4. I haven’t calculate the odds of our hand vs the villains’ potential holding, I don’t have the chance while playing either. If we are not up vs a fish, we aren’t way ahead I guess but have to take our chances.
5. I call. gg
- Would like to see other opinions on this one.
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Snap call. Because you’ve played to disguise your hand and trap, and it appears the trap has worked. So why would you fold?
True if the BB is the sensible reg on the table and the rest were the ones we were trying ot trap we could fold here, but I’m assuming for arguments sake from the description that the BB is aggro too.
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general johnson jameson Reply:
November 13th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Snap call? No No No, this is very poor thinking. Our trap plan evaporated like 2 actions ago. We are no longer on Plan A. Plan A was to limp, hoping the maniacs at the table would raise like we were expecting, so we could come over the top. This didn’t happen, and instead now we’re dealing with a guy who could have literally any 2 cards.
So then we tried a reasonable plan B, to re-raise the BB’s bet, representing an over pair, or perhaps a flush draw. We got our pants pulled down and told exactly where we were.
Now we want to try an atrocious Plan C here, still trying to drag this fallen apart hand through the mud hoping to get some kind of value for it against a zero read V just because it is a pair of queens? Forget it.
What are we hoping for here? He is going broke on a draw, option checked TT or JJ, or is going completely ape with a pair of nines? I know what I choose to do here, it’s snap, but it isn’t calling. No trap is still working here, I promise you the V doesn’t care what we limped in with, he has the goods and he knows it.
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fold. you have one pair and this reeks of a big blind special. no need to put this much in this early in the tourney without a seriously strong hand.
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Yeah we only have one pair, and I don’t know, maybe in a $50 buyin tourny people would be less likely to make this move with nothing – but in my poker years I’ve seen soooooo many people do this exact kind of shove with A9. I’d think if he was smart and wanted to get value he’d probably just call our raise and bleed us a little more. I’d probably call and curse the big blind special if he shows up with a crappy two pair that holds up.
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Personally, this type of hand is my most challenging to play. I’d reluctantly call despite the early stage.
Hero equity after the call is ~40%, and I’d estimate that we would be a 5-4 dog versus the entire V range. Hero image described as ‘tight’, so w/o the agg, I think the V may be trying to push us off big cards/pr. If they have 2-pr, there are still some outs. A set is obviously crushing.
I’d gamble as our hand strength is disguised; still have a chip and a chair if we lose.
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This is a yucky spot, and a prime example of why it’s not a good idea to get funky with a big pair this early in a tournament. We have no read and villain can have any two cards here in the big blind.
I think there is a fair chance we are ahead, but given it’s so early I’d probably fold this, move on and curse myself for limping. If we’re ahead we’re not far ahead, and if we’re behind we’re in big trouble.
An additional benefit of folding is that the table won’t get to see how badly we played QQ.
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Pirate21 Reply:
November 12th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
“An additional benefit of folding is that the table won’t get to see how badly we played QQ.”
- Amen
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