Daily Hand Quiz

Well, it looks to me like he has a big hand, most probably a set, or maybe even a donkishly slow-played AA. I think weak players here with a draw of any kind tend to either check-call or check-raise bigger (maybe check-raise all in). The min-raise screams “I want the chips in the middle”.

Raising is pretty horrible here – how stupid will we look with 400 chips left in front of us and the rest shuffling over to this idiot after falling into his fishy trap with nothing but a measly pair of eights.

Having said that, getting nearly 4.5 to 1 to make the call, I am not giving up just yet. We’ve got position and most likely 6 outs. Keep it cheap, make the call and see what he does on the turn. If he continues his trappy nonsense and checks again then we may well get to see the turn and river for 975. If we don’t improve and he puts any more chips in, I am out of here.

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Waste_Of_Paint Reply:
November 9th, 2010 at 1:40 am

Oh, and another thing. If I’ve got 30BBs at this stage of a tournament and pick up 88 in the cut-off, and someone has limped (especially a weak player), I am raising.

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catcher Reply:
November 9th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

My first instinct would also be to raise PF here, but the thing that might give me a pause before doing that is SB’s stack. With a weak limp and CO raise, this would be a perfect spot for resteal shove.

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Huge sigh, the dreaded donk limp/check/min-raise. The only line in poker that makes utterly no sense until you apply it to a complete moron and then it becomes as coherent as a dictionary.

So now what? What do we put him on, baby set or horribly played KK/AA? That’s about right I’d say. We are getting a great price to see 1 more card. Not to mention, if we can hit our 8 or 7, this is exactly the type of gomer that will completely stack off to us. So let’s at least see 1 more, and if he is stupid enough to check again, we for sure take the freebie river. We’re most likely going to have to improve to win, but the implied odds against this type are HUGE.

I love this type. They never put in any more than is required to stay in the hand, and they never raise or bet, they just check/call everything. But they do it with AA too, and they think they are being so stealth and trappy, when in reality any player who’s been half around the block before will sniff this out so fast. The only time they bet or raise, or voluntarily put in more money than is actually required to continue, is when they have the stone nuts, or close to it. But these dopes think that AA is always the stones, regardless of resistance.

Another thing too: it is easy to feel like you got suckered or out played by these fools when your mid pair runs into their AA. In this instance, if it turns out he has aces, and wins, absolutely do not get down on yourself. It is very easy to get disgruntled giving a single chip to this fool, but its important to remember that he will give them all back just as fast. All it takes is an 8 or 7, it’s that easy. I have to remind myself of this even sometimes. He probably isn’t even bothering to think about what we could possibly have. He was willing to check around a free card to 2 limpers on that flop. Siiiiiiiigh.

Call. Fold to any more action, and then laugh. Remember, having to dodge shit like this for months and months, and putting up with busting out to horribly played aces and kings, or outrageous unconscionable suck outs by these dopes… all of it combined is still not enough to bring down how damn good it feels to be in the winners circle even once, which is something a player like this will never know. Keep da chin up Rock!

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Agree with previous comments although I think we could add a couple more hands to V’s range here (A6, 78). 78 would be the concern because we’re only drawing to a chop.
But all in all, it makes sense to call and see another card. We have ~25% chance of hitting our outs by the river and ~100% chance of getting paid off for our troubles.
I’ll call and try to get to the river cheap. Toughest decision left will be figuring out how much more we can get out of him when we hit.

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Price is right for me to call this stupid min raise. I’d want to get to showdown as cheap as possible. If I face another big bet I’m outta there. Not worth stacking off to this weak/weird line the villain is taking. I definitely don’t think all of our outs are outs either. Kinda hard to tell. Villain limped so he could easily have a set, two pair, or a higher club than ours. I think even most weak players would have raised preflop with a premium pair (AA,KK,QQ,JJ) so I’m not too worried about that. I could easily see him showing up with A4, A6, or A5 in this spot, possibly with the A of clubs.

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Just to add to the discussion, but I see this kind of donk frequently turn up with any two clubs here.

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catcher Reply:
November 9th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

I second to that.. two club face cards are also definitely in V’s range here. That being said, I will call and play the position.

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general johnson jameson is completely correct. either call to see one more or fold now.

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