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Words cannot express how awful a call is in this spot. We beat AJ. Well we also beat a ridiculously overplayed 99 or KJ.
We played this terribly weak and didn’t notice the turn barrel would commit the villain. Our call there was really bad and should have been a shove – as there should be good fold equity on such a scary board and we have outs – or a fold.

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I can’t understand why 36% of people voted call. I guess there are a lot of fish out there who just can’t let go of top pair.

We’ve been check-calling a scary board with a quiet image against an EP raiser. I’d love to know what the callers think he has.

I agree with T apart from I can’t imagine KJ or AJ ever showing up here. I think this is most likely AK or TT-AA.

Easy, easy fold.

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Eeek. Its kind of disgusting to think that we may have been playing for a chop from the get-go. If you plug AK into his story, the entire thing makes more sense than anything else you can give him, besides maybe JJ or TT. If he has AK he played it absolutely perfect, building it flawlessly so that his flush draw is protected against, all his chips get in, and still giving us a 2.2:1 call.

The easy bad news though, is that unless we have reason to believe this guy is getting completely out of line, or is running a full on bluff, we aren’t beating anything and we have to bail. This is pretty slam dunk, nothing else to say here.

I’m gonna criticize one thing though: This is a 6,600 chip pot, and the blinds are only 30/60. This is not only careless and outrageous, but totally unnecessary with this hand. If you try to guess the betting, assuming the c-bet was half the pot, that means his turn bet was basically a full pot/slightly over-bet size bet. The pot is now bigger than our stack, and we are getting a decent price to call. But we have to fold. This is straight up chip bleed. Calling a pot size turn bet was pretty stupid, as there’s almost no way we can think our queens are good, and we’re drawing to a straight which may already be a chop, and our 2 pair, trips draws are no good if he has an ace or AK respectively.

This is what I’m talking about when I criticize you racka disciprine. We should have folded the turn bet. It is also clear we had no plan for the river. Thinking this guy was going to check behind is idiotic, he has dumped his entire stack into this, he hasn’t refrained from dumping a lot of chips in every single turn he has had to act, why would we think he wouldn’t be shoving any river card. If someone check/calls your bloated size bets all the way to the river, and you still plan on unloading all-in to him, is there a chance in hell that you are doing it without the goods? Nope. He isn’t kidding here.

Calling the flop is a no brainer, but on the turn he is trying to get the message across. Instead we chased draws that may not even be good at an outrageous price, and for whatever reason we were deaf to it, and it cost us half our stack.

Also, block betting the turn would have been a way better idea, as if he calls, we get to the river cheaper than a pot size bet, and if he raises our block bet then we really get the message, and we can fold out at a smaller price of information. Instead we played this whole hand not really knowing anything, which is never a good idea.

The real lesson in this hand isn’t the actual river decision, it is all of the decisions that led up to that one, which were crazy expensive, unplanned, and unnecessary. Our calling was more out of line than his betting.

Fold. And please, quit getting stupid. We’re lucky a 9 didn’t show up. Moe Howard would slap us upside the head if he were alive to see this hand. General out~

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T Reply:
October 28th, 2010 at 8:50 am

Nice one mang.
I agree that it would’ve been best to block bet the turn. I’m not really opposed to a check-raise on the turn though, but if the second barrel was indeed pot-sized as you said, that wouldn’t have been very effective.

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The 37% voting call show why it’s a good idea to value shove rivers

Yeah it’s an easy fold.

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Can I go back and vote to either lead or c/r the flop?
As played…I c/f on the turn and I fold again now.

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Snap fold … I would have folded the turn, albeit a bit slower.

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yeah….i went with fold, although i had to think about for a minute or two longer than some of you apparently. ive seen guys turn over k/j, or any suited hearts here enough that i had to consider it. ultimately though, there are way too many hands that make sense that beat us, and its grasping a bit to hope he has the small part of his range that we’re ahead of. like most people said, we shouldve either folded the turn or shoved it in then.

my gut says hes got a set. scared of straight and flush draws, kept firing, now on river, his shove was only half pot and figured hed get paid off for the rest.

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gotta love the general, can I get an A Men…

The one thing I didn’t see mentioned, was that this is a $1,000.00 dollar entry. In a game of this amount you are mostly gonna see seasoned elite players who will almost never bet or re-raise a large % of their chips early in a game with out the STONE COLD NUTS, if you don’t have them he probably does. If you can’t fold QQ, AQ, JJ, once in a while, your a person who cant finish a tournament.

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