May 22, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: 25/50 Full Ring Cash, Live
Your image: Active, possibly a little frustrated
Opponent’s image: Very aggressive preflop
Your hand: Q♦Q♥

The setup: You’ve had an uneven session so far and it’s been a bit since you won a hand. This hand there’s a poster in the hijack preflop. The table folds to him and he checks. You raise $200. The button folds and the SB three bets to $825. The BB and hijack fold, and you flat.

You have a good amount of history with the raiser. He is a very active three bettor and seems to have your number in recent sessions. He is very aggressive against your preflop raises, especially if there’s a squeeze opportunity. He’s also a pretty steady continuation bettor.

You flop about as dry as can be:

J♣2♥6♦

The SB leads for $985 into $1750. What’s your play?

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T


RRAI.
His range is wide and he calls with any jack, lots of pairs, and possibly with AK, AQ or KQ.

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general johnson jameson Reply:

Completely disagree. It is a common misconception, that people think that someone who is hyper aggressive is also loose and unwilling to fold. This is not the case, these are 2 completely different types of players. Being one, absolutely does not mean being the other. If we put him all in here, he is not calling unless he has us beat. Unless his read is calling station, we have zero reason to think he is going to call all-in with a single jack, and besides, that is not how to take advantage of this kind of player. Ask yourself: We have a hyper aggro guy, who is betting into our monster overpair with the worst hand. Why would we ever give him resistance?

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Jack


Push all in

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John Kugelman


Call and let him barrel the turn. No real need to shut him down if he’s got unpaired broadway cards, and if he has a jack we’ll get him later.

Raising folds out air, which means we’re letting him play better vs. our hand if we raise and let him only stick around with strong hands. Better to keep both his and our hand ranges wide.

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Sean


I’m raising about 25% of the time here, calling the rest. I need to raise sometimes with strength to balance the times I’m going to check with a strong hand otherwise he exploits me by always calling when I raise and folding the turn if I bet.

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Pirate21 Reply:

Agreed.
I think raise and call are both good in this spot. I might lean towards raising a little more frequently, but basically the same reasoning.
Also – I like to mix in a min-raise some of the time. Shoving will fold out some hands that we want to call, but min-raise will get called because V thinks he’s priced in (or just doesn’t want to show weakness following his raise).

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samo


I’d just call due to the dry board.

Hero is likely at least a 3-1 fav, only need to dodge A, K, and perhaps a J. V may shut-down on a blank turn, so we can check and allow them to fire a bluff on the river. If they have a J, they’ll keep firing.

Raising folds-out a number of hands that Hero is ahead of, including a marginal J.

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Nelson


I like the min raise idea. If villain has a jack this would probably really annoy him. He might figure he’s priced in to see another card. And if he folds thats fine with me as well. If he pushes all in I’m probably calling due to the description of his style of play.

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general johnson jameson Reply:

This guy is voluntarily putting thousands of dollars into a pot that we are crushing, and we have to do nothing except just let him. Why would we want to annoy him? Nothing will shut this guy down quicker than resistance, especially min-raise resistance which just screams “I’m greedy, so just give me a little more right now.” Which means he is potentially check/folding on the turn. This is a disaster outcome.

Now, if we were running a semi-bluff, like lets say a flush draw, or an ended straight/overcard combo draw, this min-raise move would be brilliant, as it would more than likely net us a free river card. Nothing would spell danger to him like getting resistance, and its only the minimal resistance.

But in this case we have pure solid gold value, and pissing in the punch bowl just to give it a little more color is getting greedy and it will back fire. This type of player can only be made profitable by 1 way: Letting him put the money in all by himself like a look mommy I’m a big boy table captain.

And when he stacks off with his AJ, and all you had to do was say call 4 times in a row, you will smile like a Cosby kid. Trust me.

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general johnson jameson


Why the hell are people raising here? This is literally the absolute best position to be in against a player like this. We have a monster over pair, with a hyper aggressive player betting into us, and people want to give resistance? This is the type of player, who if he has AJ right here, he will stack off. Why the hell would we fight back. The only way to get hyper aggros to put money in a pot is to let them do it themselves. Resisting, especially with this dream board, is beyond poor IMO. Hyper aggros don’t call, they bet. Those people thinking he’s going to come along calling with our re-raises with crap hands are out of their minds. That will give pause and shut him down, and we will lose value. There are only 8 cards in the deck that will scare us, and we don’t even know if he has one. He could be c-betting with nothing, but even then our call he might smell as weakness and fire again. This is like the easiest quiz, and I’m wondering why people are opting for bad decisions in playing it. Re-raising that board just screams over pair or made hand, and I cannot understand why we would want to prevent this guy from making more mistakes. Not trying to sound rude, this one just seems no brainer to me. I’ll need a real good convincing to be raising at any point.

Call until he ceases betting. Then put it in for him. If he bets river, and all unders, THEN put him all in, by then the stacks will dictate it. If scare card hits, just keep calling. Give him a hundred yards of grape vine and let this monkey hang himself all day long. However, there is a pie just ready to be put in our face if we get stupid here. Imagine if we r/r him right here, and he folds and shows AJ. Are you going to feel you made the right move? Hell no, you will be kicking yourself for the potentially thousands of dollars of value you just lost out on because you got stupid and greedy at the same time. Beware the pie, it is ready to fly it just needs a reason.

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_CityBorn_ Reply:

100% the truth

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Groundhog day


I now read this quiz solely for the general’s analogies. :-)

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thailer


Is it impossible that the min-raise we push on our aggro-player signifies that we are on tilt? Does not our tilt range also include medium pockets, J with another paint or unpaired overcards? I’m OK with raising or calling but just don’t think that raising is all that bad?

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Julio


My thoughts on oponpents range on the last hand: Villain would have some sets/two pairs/QJ+. I think villain will raise KQ here trying to stack my hand or two pairs/sets.On the river, 5c came, which brings a flush and paired the board. Villain check I bet 1/2 pot and villain shove. Base on the turn range analysis, I would say it is an easy fold. Villain have full houses and flushes (ie AcJc) and I doubt he will turn AJo or JTo into a bluff on this river. -Kitsune101

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