
Game type: $50 freezeout, PokerStars
Stage of tourney: Midstages
Your image: Fairly tight
Opponent’s image: Aggressive, but solid
Your hand: 9♥6♣
The setup: You’ve been pretty quiet with your stack for the last few orbits and no one has a real reason to suspect you of getting out of line. This hand you get a garbage hand in the BB and see a flop when two players limp. Both have mixed in some limps previously.
You flop a gutshot:
8♦Q♠5♥
It checks around. The turn is the 2♠. What’s your play? Would your answer change if it was the T♣?
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I lead for about 1k and see if I can take it down. If raised I fold. If called I check any river except the 7.
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This is one of my biggest leaks in my MTT game right here exactly. The flop is about as dry as anything. I tend to stab at unraised, uncontested pots OTT with about a HPSB and check/fold river if i get someone to come along. The only difference here to my normal setup is we are ~40bb deep, where as i am normally scavenging for chips where i can get them in a turbo. I think if we really wanted to take a stab at it, the flop was the place to do it. No one raised, we could have literally ATC and i think the bet would be signifigantly more convincing OTF as opposed to the heavy brick on the turn. To save myself from donking chips off right here, i would Check/Fold. A better spot to stab would have been the flop IMO.
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b1aze Reply:
August 19th, 2010 at 6:30 am
And as far as the What-If-Tc, that is a different story. That opens up a double gutter for us, doubling our outs without fear of getting counterfited by AK if a J falls OTR. We would have basically the semi-nut double gutter with a Tc and i would feel much more comfortable tossing a bet of ~1000-1150 at the pot and see if we can spike an 8outer OTR.
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Major Dude Reply:
August 19th, 2010 at 10:52 am
It’s a leak if you bet this every time, because you need a lot of fold equity to make it work. Against loose opponents, or if you’ve been tagged as a maniac, it just doesn’t pay off.
But our image is good. We’re told that opponents are “solid,” which means they will think about what we’re likely to have — and will release hands when they think they’re behind.
I like trying to make a move here. Our bet is consistent with the following
– very lucky flop (2 pair) where we checked on the hope someone else would get the bidding started. They didn’t, so now we’re betting.
– x2, where we think we’re ahead and want overcards to pay for the chance to draw out on us.
– It’s not as clear we’d bet a 5, 8 or weak Q this way, but it’s not out of the question
– Guy with ATC trying to buy a pot.
As General Johnson says, we’ve got a story. I’m thinking a 1000 or 1200 bet gets the Ax or other unpaired hands to fold. They’re behind in most scenarios and aren’t likely to get paid much by us if the right overcard comes.
The limpers playing small or middle pairs may stay, and then we’ve probably lost chips. But I think our move is at least 50/50 to work, and we’re getting paid close to 2:1 to try it.
Agree with cityborn re: a 10.
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i like a lead. if they missed the flop, its unlikely the deuce helped anyone but us. its a pretty believable story we’d be selling. if we face resistance, let it go, but worth a stab.
i would check the 10. the 10 gives me a double gutshot, but it is also more likely to have helped opps, and we could be raised if we lead. id rather draw for free or cheap if they let me, and lose only my bb if i miss.
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I’d check-fold.
The flop is dry enough that a Qx in MP or LP might allow a free turn hoping to induce some action. Hero is facing solid opponent(s), who may see through the bluff and call with mid-pr.
Leading into 2 solid opponents likely would force the Hero into leading the river when a blank hits, which occurs most of the time. Only have 4 outs, and unless the opponents have a set or 2-pr, implied pay-off may not be there anyway.
C-R actually is a very strong move, and I might take a shot if the 10 hit the turn. However, this may also lead us down the chip deterioration path. I’ll pass.
If the 10 hit, I’d lead to build the pot in case draw hits while representing a pr at the same time. Fold to a raise.
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Well no one has shown any interest and the board is very dry. The deuce helped no one. I’d take a stab for about 1K. Chances are we’ll take it down now, but if called we’ll evaluate again on the river. If raised I fold. I kinda agree with Samo about the implied payoff not being there. Even if we hit the miracle 7 on the river to make our straight we’d probably have a tough time squeezing any money out of the villains. There just wouldn’t be anything realistic they could have that they would be willing to put more money into the pot with.
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Well… our range is literally ATC, so I guess if we bet it’s to represent a weak 2-pr. I think it’s likely we’re either called or reraised more than half the time – in which case we can only c/f the river unless our 4-outer hits.
I think I’ll just check-fold now and save myself the trouble.
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