
Game type: $50 freezeout 6 max, PokerStars
Stage of tourney: Early
Your image: LAG
Opponent’s image: Average
Your hand: J♣8♥
The setup: You’re sitting on a nice stack early in this tournament when the following hand comes up.
You get J8o in the BB. A player limps, the SB completes and you check.
Everyone checks the flop:
T♠K♦Q♣
… and the turn: 6♣.
The river is the T♦. You and the SB check. The button bets 1000.
The SB folds. What’s your play?
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So, just to review… we only paid $250, and we got a free ride all the way to the river with our open end draw. We have checked 4 straight times. We can only beat 9 high. The final turn of the final round over bets for 1k. And now the question is do we get cute and check raise him or fold? Sorry, but what in the hell hand are we going to ever try and represent here that is even half believable? We checked 4 times in a row, and we even checked our “monster” on the river in hopes of what, that the final guy to act who has checked 3 times in a row will fire out a bet? Lol ok. If we were smart, we should have bet our draw the entire way, and we probably would have taken this down. Instead we chose the free ride route, and we whiffed, yet we’re still greedy enough to want the 900? Get real. B says he has a Q or something, and even if he doesn’t, he beat us into the pot. We missed our chance to bluff at this when we checked for an embarrassing 4th time. Just believe him for $250 and move on to the next hand.
Bluffing here is exactly what a moron would do: bluffing just to bluff, with no real story to back it up, or goal in doing so. They think, hey I should raise him he probably has nothing. Which is true, he probably doesn’t have much, but he knows damn well that we have even less, and he’s going to call. Then the donk moron half disgusted asks, “Omg, how did you call that with pocket 77.”
Let’s not be that guy. Fold.
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Lead the flop IMO. No reason not to open ended without a flush draw in sight. Gotta build the pot if you happen to hit, and if not, it will atleast give you a bit of a leg to stand on when you want to try to make a stab at the pot like this. Anyone from the BB will gladly throw a donk bet out with any pair on that flop, especially with the bottom end of it, and the river just is a “miracle” card. As played, lay it down as fast as possible. You can barely beat a bluff as it stands.
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agree with above posters. especially the generals sentiment about having a storyline behind your bluff. a good bluff makes sense according to the action, a bad bluff without a convincing line is essentially a donation.
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The only way a bluff might work is if the Hero’s image was tight and the V perhaps had a 6x. Otherwise even an Avg player will see through a LAG bluff without any story whatsoever. Fold and keep stack in tact.
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Good to see there’s 18% willing to bluff this spot – I’ll enjoy taking their money.
Agree with all the previous posts – EV of bluffing in this spot is decidedly negative. Any decent hand will pick off the bluff in a heartbeat.
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Shove over his fucking bet. I want to see if he calls without KK or QQ
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b1aze Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Pirate21 Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Good plan… risk $12K to win $1900 – but if you’re gonna do that, why not just lead the turn or river?
I’ll keep a seat open at my table for you.
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_CityBorn_ Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
i saw a guy lose $300, the rest of his stack, playing 2/5 at a casino doing exactly that a few days ago. he thought the big brute force move would work. a guy snapped him off without even thinking about it. his response? “i almost got away with it”. i guarantee you “Winner” is not a winner.
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Pirate21 Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Yeah…. even if it works *this time*, that move will lose him so much over the long haul that it’s just not profitable. Plus, you give the table way more information than you want to with this move.
One really needs to set up their bluffs – checking 4 times doesn’t do the trick.
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T Reply:
August 17th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
I think Winner is rather good, seeing as how his trolling method is to give the complete opposite of the right answer, and so far he’s gotten it right every time…
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