May 22, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: $50 1R 1A NL tournament, Full Tilt
Stage of tourney: Final table
Your image: TAG
Opponent’s image: A little loose
Your hand: K♦K♥

The setup: You’ve been fairly quiet since reaching this final table. The table itself has been pretty active, and you haven’t had any cards or spots.

This hand, a fairly loose player opens UTG for 2x. The table folds to you in the BB.

What’s your play? Would you change your answer if you had QQ? What about AA?

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Groundhog day


I’m raising abt 3x and if called leading out on any flop. If theres an over on the board or other ugliness and v calls or raises then I’m done with the hand.

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_CityBorn_


have to flat here. its a min raise and were in the bb meaning we’d be priced in to play with almost any two, completely disguising our hand. all it will take it a c-bet from opp and any further action leads to a double up. i like my chances, especially considering hes a little loose. that means his tendency will be to try to take it down when we show weakness (as he normally should) regardless of his holdings.

repopping it now probably scares him off with his minimal investment against a tag in the bb who could easily have just played for the 2800 more and seen a flop. any raise is basically committing us to this pot and he’ll see that. too easy to get away unless hes got something unlucky like queens.

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teddy


smooth calling here completely disguises the hand. Check the flop whether you hit or not. Villain will c bet. Then move in over the top and villain will be forced to call you well-behind.

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Pirate21


I’m calling here and check raising any safe flop – this is a perfect spot to extract value vs. an agg opponent.
If flop has an ace or is well coordinated, I’m leading for around 1/2 pot to see if V caught any of it.

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samo


I like the arguments to flat, however I’d raise for value. V is a little loose, but UTG raise represents strength most of the time. Imo they will likely call given position and stack diffs.

The raise (and call) will give me a bit more info, perhaps helping me on the flop/turn play should an A hit. By flatting, I’m more vulnerable to a dangerous board.

Raising <3x gets us little info as most of the V range will call. Shoving will generate a fold unless AA, perhaps QQ if we’re lucky.

I’d play QQ and AA the same way.

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yap


I would call, he does think his hand is good given the UTG raise and he is loose so he will probably raise later if I show weakness. Given that I am the shortstack I don’t have the luxury to raise for value, I definitely want all chips in at the end like 90% of the time.

Shove would most likely result in a fold, the normal reraise is risky given the tight image and a small reraise would just shout out that I have a great hand.

As for QQ,AA: The same way, but obviously being much less comfortable with queens. In that case I would check flop if no overcard and shove to the raise (pretty risky, but no other choice).

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general johnson jameson


If you raise here, it is only for value, and your hope is that they come over the top so that you can get it all in right here. In terms of information, Raising here will tell you nothing you don’t already know. Even the loosest players will not min-raise UTG into 7 people ready to play out of position without a monster. Min-raise is just begging to be called, or possibly begging to be re-raised and played out of position. Raising here is only an option if we choose to just get more dough in the pot while we are ahead. Which I am a big favorite of.

The call, check-r/r is very tempting. Our image though is TAG, and the moment we start doing something that isn’t like that at all, the alarm is going to go off, and we won’t get paid off at all. I say r-r for value, and regardless of the flop, aim and fire. Gotta take control of this hand from the get go. We can’t slow play trap anything if we are going against our own image, they will immediately smell somethings up. If you played against a total maniac, and all of a sudden he’s checking and being passive, you immediately sense something is up. If we are TAG, and we are calling and checking, they’re just going to check behind. Not saying we are maniacs at all, but a TAG player is not one that checks and calls when they have the goods.

Vote r-r. Be happy to get it all in right here if we can. We’re only afraid of 1 hand, or 3 possible cards to come. As for AA,QQ, both are monsters, I’d do them just the same way.

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Pirate21 Reply:

On the other hand – if we don’t ever do something counter to our image, we become increasingly easy to read…

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general johnson jameson Reply:

no. you don’t go counter your image unless you’re doing opposite of what the table is doing. you stay harder to read when you do the same things but with different cards, not by checking and calling and being passive. the point here, is that if we keep doing what looks normal to them, they are going to act the same also, which is what we want. what they don’t know is that this time we have a total monster, and their JJ or whatever they have is not gonna be any good. this guy is gonna be aggressive over us when it seems to him like we are just doing what we’re supposed to by r-r and c-betting, but that’s exactly how we’re going to get paid off. i assure you that at a final table of a $50 buy in, if we are very TAG, it is going to be easily noticed that we are calling and checking. we can do this sometimes, but there’s no point in slow playing a monster when our image says otherwise. get in there, don’t do anything that looks suspicous, and let this guy pay us off.

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Kane


Absolutely cannot smooth call here. An UTG is a representation of a monster hand, but we’re talking about AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AQs, three of which we’re ahead. If (s)he comes over the top, what are you supposed to do, fold? If you’re folding KK to re-raises, I have a game every weekend you can attend.

Simply calling invites disaster on the flop. If you raise or even get your money in pre-flop, the same thing is going to happen if you push on the flop. The cards aren’t going to change, so if you can end it pre-flop, by all means do so. The person UTG is a loose player anyway, so (s)he may very well be raising with ATs or AJs. If you get a call, be cautious of the flop and push with an aceless flop.

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Anonymous


Both players are deep-stacked, so it’s a really easy 3-bet especially in position.

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Anonymous


Err woops, we’re OOP, didn’t see BB there…

Still an automatic 3-bet considering the value we can extract from villain. I’m pretty sure villain’s UTG can be AK,AQ,AJ, and all pocket pairs from AA-22. We’re ahead of nearly everything, so getting value with KK is a must since we’re going to get paid off by mediocre holdings.

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