Medium hand bvb, NL MTT Final Table

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Game type: $100 1 rebuy, 1 add on, Full Tilt Poker
Stage of tourney: Final Table
Your image: TAG
Opponent’s image: Very aggressive
Your hand: Q♠8♣

The setup: You’re down to the final six in this online MTT. The table folds to you in the SB.

Your opponent is a very competent, aggressive opponent.

What’s your play?

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Groundhog day

Shove. Take away v ability to raise you out of the pot. V cant call for all of their chips without a decent hand.

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samo

Q8 is a slight favorite against a random hand. Hero can’t call, so this is either fold or RAI. RAI would commit 39K to win 7.5K. From my standpoint, RAI would be EV+ if the V folds ~80% (1-(7501/39000)) of the time. Of course, Hero could catch cards so 80% is the top-end.

The V has an M~7, so there is not too much pressure yet. If called, Hero is likely behind, but still in decent shape stack-wise were they to lose. Close, but levering the TAG image, I’ll RAI.

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general johnson jameson Reply:
June 30th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

about yesterdays: we are in full agreement, i was mainly just trying to remind everyone that with average/not-so-smart players in the hand we have to be a little more cautious in our thinking.

but that doesn’t change that if you find me in that position I will be fattening that pot as much as i can every step of the way

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Pirate21

Call and 3-bet are almost always going to induce a shove from a very aggressive, competent opponent. Our hand isn’t good enough to call that so RAI and fold are the only reasonable options.
Folding is a little weak but not horrible with a marginal hand – minor advantage is that it buys us future credibility.
RAI on the other hand is pretty transparent and V will be tempted to call pretty light as the short stack. He realizes he needs to double up and he’s gonna have to get it in pretty soon anyway so better against one opp than taking a chance multi-way.
I think I’d probably shove most of the time here, but I wouldn’t make the same play next orbit unless I have a much stronger hand.

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general johnson jameson

good quiz, this is what many final tables are all about now. just preflop pressure to take blinds and antes, very few flops are ever seen.

calling is absolutely awful, an aggressive player is going to come over the top of that all day long. raise 3x still gives the option for him to do that. no way anyone got to the final table folding in this position. so, this is an easy shove. Q8 is a great hand to have in this position. like was previously said, this move is so transparent, but we’ve taken away any other move but fold or call, and there is no way a competent player can call all-in unless he has the goods, and even then we still have a pretty good hand. we are only losing to an ace,king, or pair. the odds he has a better queen are pretty low.

a competent player knows he can find better spots to get it in, and being the first into the pot is always better, no way he is calling here unless he has the goods which will be uncommon, and if he does and we lose, we’re still at 70k. gotta shove here deftones style.

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yap

Allin or fold, definitely. I would fold, but that’s just because they are all aggressive so I could probably get in better later.

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