Daily Hand Quiz

Don’t like cr when I could be drawing dead. And cf seems weak. Leading says that I’m not worried about that club on the turn. Check call was not listed but I still like leading better as it is stronger and I don’t want to see a free over on the river.

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And yes I prob do have to fold to a raise.

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Pirate21 Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 6:16 am

I’m with you, but how much are you leading for? Problem I see is that any credible bet would just about commit H’s stack. I think that’s the only argument for checking here.

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I’d check-fold.

With only a pair, I’d like to keep the pot-size under control. Additionally, our stack-size has us somewhat committed with a bet or call. There are also many danger cards that could hit the river. No read on the V.

I think in most cases a p/f raise from UTG indicates non-suited cards – not always, but the majority of the time. Thus, a lead may be read as representing (flush), leaving Hero vulnerable to a raise. If we lead and get called, how do we play a blank river? Lead again with our stack-size?

I prefer to avoid any chipping-off, instead giving credit to an unknown opponent in this situation. Being the 2nd largest stack at the table you still have time to play.

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Lack of balls in these comments.

If you just want to cash, sure, check-call, check-fold, whatever. If you want to win the big money here, you have to lead with this board. Sure, if he re-raises, you can get away from it, but firing another barrel here will take down the pot more often than not.

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V may think you are firing with complete air, and you have a little bit better than air Not much, but you could still easily have the best hand. If the 4th club hits the river, you are probably no good. Fire 15k into him (which could appear to be for value with the 3rd club), leaving yourself 20BB if he pushes back, but you could very easily take it down now and have a pretty reasonable chip stack.

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I’m leading and firing pretty hard here. If you throw around 20k, you’re leaving 30k behind which still leaves you with a pretty good stack and it’s a scary bet that he’s not going to raise with air. Sure, the flop call says draw but you basically have to find out which draw it was.

I wanna win this thing at this point, we’ve already gotten back our money and probably a little more.

Check-raise and check-fold simply aren’t in my book right now. Check-call, maybe, but of course you’re committing yourself if you toss in another ~pot-sized bet.

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ChickaChickaYea Reply:
June 4th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

“Sure, the flop call says draw but you basically have to find out which draw it was”

Both draws got filled? I’m not saying leading out is the wrong play, but if you’re saying that you put him on a draw here, why would you lead out? Hoping that you are wrong?

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Sunshine Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 12:41 am

Incorrect.. only straight draws possible are 56, 69, 610, 910 or 10J.. two of these are gutshots, two more of them didn’t make it on that 9. I’m ruling out 610 and 10J right off the bat, and if 910 or 69 hit their pair, I might just be getting paid. Only straight possibility that really bothers me is the 56.

Anyway, that’s far from filling all draw possibilities.

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check fold? we got called on the flop with an all under board, and the board is still under our 10′s and we’re gonna fold? or check to give him a chance to draw? huh? i dont see how people are thinking we’re so weak. ok, so a flush got there, but thats a small part of his range. we have 2 of the 10′s so im not putting him on a straight, and that leaves very few hands we’re behind. i dont see jj or qq flat calling pre, and even kk or aa is questionable with 4 players left to act behind. i think we’re ahead, and im protecting my hand. lead and call a raise.

i think he could raise to put us to the test if he has something like top pair, or a pair with a high club. i know for me personally, the preflop raise-lead-lead line can often times be fairly weak, an attempt to c-bet your way out of a missed flop. he might be interpreting it that way, and see it as an opportunity to represent the flush. this is a 5 dollar tournament, he could also have a trained monkey pressing buttons for him.

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samo Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:06 am

Your 2nd paragraph is my principle reason for c-f. Toss-in the images -’agg’ Hero &’no read’ on Villain – and I think there is a great deal of vulnerability.

The flush is a small part of their range, and frankly if they flopped a 4-flush with a big over, we likely would have been raised. Agree that JJ+ is also out, however, 78, 89, 79 are a good part of their range. With stack-size diff, I hate to commit with only a pair … even in a $5 tourney.

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Dont we have four to the flush with the 10 of clubs? And open ended? I’m not checking. If we are behind, which I doubt that we are, we still have draws to improve. Of course he could have a hand that has us in bad shape. But the way this hand played, I think we are ahead. Keep the pressure on and lead. If he calls, see what the river brings. If he raises, I call. A player that flatted an overpair on that flop is taking a very odd line.

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I have no idea why you say we whiffed the flop.

I’d say that’s a great flop for us, there are a ton more chances that he floated with two overs than a set, 2 pr, or an overpair. I’m putting him on AQ, AJ, or an under pair that thought we were c- betting. Anyway, there are a lot more hands we beat than beat us

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