Daily Hand Quiz

kaimano Reply:
April 28th, 2010 at 4:36 am

It’s better not to say it…he might not believe us while min 3-betting and shoving the river he is SURE that we have the nuts!

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Waste_Of_Paint Reply:
April 28th, 2010 at 6:36 am

He could also easily have picked up a flush draw on the turn and is on a semi bluff. Our lead out looks a bit like a steal attempt after it checked round on the flop, or that we have the 7 / picked up the 9.

Another (remote) possibility is that he has the same hand as us, and is raising to protect putting us on the same kind of hands as we’re putting him on

Morat Reply:
April 28th, 2010 at 6:38 am

This actually made me lol. Nh, sir.

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Waste_Of_Paint Reply:
April 28th, 2010 at 6:37 am

Oops… mistakenly posted this on the wrong post above!

He could also easily have picked up a flush draw on the turn and is on a semi bluff. Our lead out looks a bit like a steal attempt after it checked round on the flop, or that we have the 7 / picked up the 9.

Another (remote) possibility is that he has the same hand as us, and is raising to protect putting us on the same kind of hands as we’re putting him on

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_CityBorn_ Reply:
April 28th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

hmm….i dont know…i guess i was thinking there are more mediocre hands or airballs turned bluffs in his range than draws willing to call a raise here, but its a debatable point.

im on the fence, but im still trapping here since im pretty sure we’re folding him out with a raise. even most simple draws wont call a raise here, unless maybe a min raise, and personally i hate min raises. ok, so if we min raise and he calls, we extract the minimum amount more possible at the risk of losing a chunk if our stack or our tourney life on the river when were compelled to lead bet regardless of heart or paired board, etc. he folds if he misses and stacks us if he hits, great.

id rather play it soft so the majority of his range tries to take it away on the river. then we can decide if we call or raise depending how it looks.

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Anonymous Reply:
April 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am

i disagree with most of this.

“Air: we won’t make any more money no matter what we do. Bluff-raising the turn when we bet int 2 ppl is ballsy, but I can’t see him not giving up after we call. Raising folds him out right now, if we call and bet river he folds again. Calling turn checking river gives him the opportunity to bluff, but bluffing here is really spewy to say the least, I would expect him to give up 90%+ of the time.”

it happens ALL the time. if he has air, and we check the river he could figure we missed a draw or are weak enough that a nice bet takes it down. poker 101.

“A pair: I don’t see any reason for a pair to raise the turn, but let’s assume he does. In this case call turn / bet river > raise turn >>> call turn / check river since he will check back river most often.”

why wouldnt a pair raise the turn? first, he could take it down right there. second he could charge us if were drawing. third, he takes control of the hand so we might check fold the river if we dont improve. i think a problem with the analysis of several posters in this quiz is youre assuming our hand is face up to opponent. it checked around on the flop, then we took a stab. calling the turn raise could mean a draw, or a stubborn pair, it doesnt mean we have the nuts.

“A draw: we don’t want any draws out there. We cannot make them pay if they miss and it costs us much if they hit since we won’t fold on ‘K’ or heart river, will us? Chasing a draw away is much better then letting it see a free river, so raise is the only option.”

agree here. this is the only situation where i like a raise. well….this and if he has a set.

“A 2pr+: raising turn is clearly best.”

maybe, but not necessarily. if we reraise here he prob calls. but then what, we lead out all rivers? he could fold to a scare card, raise us if he fills up, and call if a blank hits. not bad. but what if we flat and then check? he will bet any non scare card river anyway for value, and then we can c/r either getting stacks in or forcing him into a tough frustrating fold. we can also choose to just call a reasonable bet on a scary river. we get more money when its favorable which is most times, limit risk when its not, and force him into a tough spot. the downside is that we risk letting him check behind. but im not scared of that, i think the right play is the right play. theres risks and rewards with each decision you make.

“Unless V has exactly one pair raising is clearly better or not worse at least. And, tbh, one pair is his least likely holding.”

one pair is the worlds most likely holding. for everyone pretty much all the time. im not sure where you came up with this.

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_CityBorn_ Reply:
April 29th, 2010 at 7:37 am

the last comment was me.

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