Daily Hand Quiz

Had to laugh at the title of this quiz. Is the backdoor flush really important at all? We’ve played this hand kind of strangely, but I think against this kind of whale we should definitely be leading again.

More importantly we should never leave this table. Changing seat to one a couple further left would be ideal though.

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UTG limps, then bets into three people on a flop that fits more the others’ range than his, then slows down and calls a semi brick turn. Call me a soul reader but it has to be AA again, maybe QQ-KK, perhaps 22-JJ or AdQd/AdJd. A stronger hand should’ve raised turn, but he really acted like “My hand is too strong to fold, but I’m really not sure I’m ahead anymore – what could this guy call me with and then bet into me on a brick turn?” If I’m right, and we check he’ll check behind most often. The river is an ugly card because it could either scare him (22-QQ doesn’t look that strong anymore)or could give him the better hand in a few but possible case (KK or a pure bluff on the flop, diamond draw on the turn). Still, we have to bet to extract most value – we can’t win more if we check. If he raises – I don’t know, I would decide considering the pot odds. It shouldn’t happen often anyway.
And bet the flop – you’re likely to get at least one call from the 3 people incl. the UTG limper.

PS: If you’re deep in your session, and don’t have any idea about the guy sitting next to you on the left, you either didn’t care at all about observing the game or the guy is a nit.

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Oh no! The inconsequential flush made it! Unless V is a donkey who would limp A9d I wouldn’t worry about.
I don’t need to reiterate Morat’s sound reasoning that V appears to have a pair in the hole with a sort of “oh shoot I have JJ and H is betting what if I am beat but I have to call” type of turn play.
I would lead for 150-200 on the river depending on what people have been doing at the table as sort of a “gosh I hope you didn’t hit that king that would be awful please fold” bet and hope V tries to get fancy and raise with a pair or with AK air. Remember that H’s range is pretty wide coming in from the BB so V will have a hard time reading trip 7′s.

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_CityBorn_ Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 8:24 am

why would v “have a hard time reading trip 7′s” if we checked the bb. thats EXACTLY what he should be worried about.

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Loki Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

I meant sure V will be “worried” about trip 7′s but I don’t think V can “put you on” 7′s vs. a lot of other hands you could have.
I’m thinking anything with a 9 in it, T8, 86, pocket pairs in the middle range etc.

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I agree with everyone so far. Its possible that villain backed into a flush, but I’m not letting that worry me at all. I’m leading for about 150 here on the river. I do have a question for everyone though. Say the villain raises all-in after my lead for 150 on the river…would anyone call? I think that would be a tough spot but I’d probably call, I don’t know…

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Morat Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 8:35 am

I’d fold. If it is a move he deserves my money. I’ve lost too much money in these spots, requesting time, thinking it over and over again and coming to the conclusion I cannot be possibly beat. But I was when V showed down hands like Td3d, Q7o etc and the fish got all my chips. In my experience call-call-AWWWWW INN is the usual fish line for the nuts.
A thinking player nearly never has a hand that’s worth turning it into a bluff, and our strong line would scare all weaker (and some better) hands from pushing all-in.

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Pirate21 Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 8:39 am

Only flush V could have has to include a 9 otherwise flop bet makes no sense – and if he’s limping UTG with those hands he should be broke by now (actually, fits more for H than V). KK is possible, but I would think we would have gotten a raise after our turn bet.
We’re ahead of everything else V has, so I’d happily call the r/r.

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Pete Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 2:52 pm

Pretty easy fold if we get raised I think, though I’d expect to see a boat a lot more than a flush

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Pirate21 Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 5:03 pm

Really? What boat? 99? 97? KK?
99, 97 don’t make sense to me. How often are you betting a flopped FH? KK? I would expect a raise on the turn…

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our lead on the turn makes this a strange hand. we kind of gave away our strength, but in such weird fashion, that its not surprising the v is holding on. unless we got real unlucky, we have the best of it tho, and after leading the turn you have to lead the river or youll probably get checked behind and lose value. unfortunately betting when the second diamond hit makes the river a scare card for v and i wouldnt be surprised if he folds. he’s not betting after we check if the diamond scared him though. he’d probably be happy to showdown with his 9 or big pair and see if he was right to call the turn. anything he’d bet with, he’ll call with. make sure to get value from hands willing to pay.

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Diamond is a scare card for V so we have to lead. He called 1/2 pot on the turn, so probably somewhere north of that – maybe around $130-$150. I doubt he’s calling any more than that.

**mental note – find out who’s the one guy that voted c/f and hang out at his table awhile….

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I don’t think the V has an over-pair as they would likely have raised the turn to find-out if they were facing trips. So, I am thinking 2 overs (and of course the flopped FH) may call. The K on the riv gives hope that they may call a value bet, so I’d lead for $135.

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Pete Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 2:49 pm

what?

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samo Reply:
March 31st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

Recognize the post sounds strange, but of course v can have overs as well.

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