February 11, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: 1/2 no limit cash on PokerStars
Your image: Fairly aggressive
Opponent’s image: TAG
Your hand: J♣J♦

The setup: Nothing’s really developed for you so far this session. You’ve been involved in a few pots, taking away some and being forced to walk away from some others when opponents pushed back. You’ve resolved to tighten up a bit when the following hand occurs. You get JJ in the BB. The table folds to the SB, who makes it 3x to go. You call. Flop:

Q♥5♣7♠

The SB leads for $10. Given your image, you decide to play it safe and just call. The turn brings the 8♣. The SB fires $22 into $32.

What’s your play?

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14 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

Jeff


Is this a trick question? Given the options, i don’t see why we would do anything other than call.

Raise Small: We get called, possibly buy a free river or get raised hard and have to surrender

Raise Large: Why? What are we representing that would raise large after an 8 falls? Plus, I dont want to bloat a pot w/ 2nd pair with only 2 improving outs.

Fold: Absolutely not.

We have a hand with great showdown value and I expect the villain to check the river, at which point we can check behind.

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Pete


“Given your image, you decide to play it safe and just call.” What? So you have an aggessive image and that makes you not want to value raise? I’m not saying we should have raised here at all, but if there’s one thing that would make me consider it, it would be having a very aggressive image. But yeah, obviously calling down at this point is the play. Would have liked a 3bet pre.

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samo


I originally leaned toward a raise, but think a call may be optimum. If v has a Q they are obviously not going away. If they have a smaller pr you may push them out, losing an oppy to extract a value bet on the riv. I would call a riv that is not an A, K, or 6.

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Anonymous


Call. We’re not folding out any better hands and we don’t want to fold out worse hands. Should have 3-bet pre.

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Pirate21


Call. I don’t really want to pot-build with 2nd pair. I don’t really like giving another card to possibly see another club or another over, but I also don’t want to bet into a bigger hand. We’ve missed our chance to fold out those kind of hands at this point.

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Nelson


I can see how some people might want to raise to find out where their at, but then that would put us in a terrible spot if we are called or reraised. I agree with just calling, although I still would not like the situation if a safe card comes on the river and villain bets again, probably around 45-50 bucks. I’d feel like I’d have to call at that point but it would make me mad if he flipped over Ace Queen or something for top pair. Anyone else see that possibility happening?

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samo Reply:

When you run bad that is what seems to happen. Still, the probability of v open-raising and flopping a Q are low. The need to raise earlier to see where your hand is fundamental.

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Pete Reply:

This is totally wrong.

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samo Reply:

~one time in three do you flop a pair. By raising I imply pre-flop, not after an overcard hits.

StealthE


Would have 3-bet JJ in the BB while in position. Then C-Bet that flop. I would raise the flop for value in case villain has a weak ace, KJ, smaller pocket pair, or tens.

Since Hero is playing so damn passively pre-flop, and post-flop…it’s better to just call down with JJ and control the pot here. We have a decent stack, and we can afford to showdown.

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_CityBorn_


when aggressive players start flat calling, its usually a sign of weakness. sure enough, we “played it safe” on the flop because we were unsure about the strength of our hand. which was a mistake. now opp will keep firing, putting us to the test. we shouldve repopped preflop, and if not, then on the flop at least.

now that we’re here, i think we should fold or raise…but given that our raise is less believable, especially given our image (what are we representing at this point? maybe a set? how likely is opp to believe that?) im sort of leaning toward a fold. opps tag image makes me figure he’s got a real hand, queen or big pair, though of course he doesnt necessarily. i just dont like calling. seems like we’d be pouring a lot of money into a pot without gaining any info, on a board with overs and draws. yuck. and raising seems likely to get called. fold seems a bit weak, but folding will never cost you a big chunk of your stack. play earlier streets better, and find better spots, we’ll be able to earn plenty of money…..

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Julian


Call is not the right move. This is the classic problem with marginal strength hands on the turn. Instead of raising the flop, because you are only going to get called by hands that are going to beat you, you just call. Then he fires again on the turn, and since you showed no strength, you have no idea where you are at.
I don’t understand why everyone is so stoked about calling here, everyone seems to think we are way ahead of the villians range. He is a TAG player. Most TAG players do not barrel twice with air, and he wouldn’t be betting for value with anything you can beat obviously.
In this variation, against this type of player he will barrel the river for like 50 percent almost all of the time. If you call, the VAST majority of the time he will show down some sort of queen.
Fold.

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Stax


Terrible quiz. Why are we flatting heads up in position preflop?

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Anthony


I like raise large, but my initial thoughts were just call. I feel if we have a slightly aggressive image, the sb a player we get into hands with a lot may start to tighten his range and only raise top of his range vs us. That being said he could very likely be raising two suited broadways blind vs blind.

I like raise big because we price him out of hitting his 14 out redraw (we have a club, assuming he has two overs that play). Its a good card for him to double barrel imo, or at least a card that makes sense for why hes 2barraleing. He will likely fold and for when he does call we are making it a -ev play.

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