Tourney / NL

Two pair on coordinated board, nl MTT

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Game type: $75 freezeout, Full Tilt Poker
Stage of tourney: Early
Your image: None
Opponent’s image: No read
Your hand: Q♠J♠

The setup: You’re in the first couple of stages of this no limit freezeout on FTP when the following hand comes up. You’re dealt a suited QJ in middle position. Preflop a few players fold and the player to your right makes it 3x. You call and the table folds. You flop top two:

Qh Jh Th

Your opponent overbets pots - 270 into 225. You call and the turn is the 8♦. Your opponent now bets a bit over 2/3rd pot.

What’s your play?

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14 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

Sunshine
2.5.10 / 6am

Far as I’m concerned he made his hand, whether it was on the flop or now. Way the hand went I’m laying it down. What I’d change would be my call on the flop. I wanna make a small raise there and find out where I’m at. Thinking 620-770. We’ve got absolutely no read yet, so why would I commit with top 2 on a 4-card straight and 3-heart board?

John Kugelman Reply:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. He made what hand? He wouldn’t be bombing the flop if he flopped a flush, and as far as I’m concerned an 8d doesn’t change much. What kind of 9 would the villain have raised pre and then be overbetting post?

I think he’s protected a TPTK or overpair type hand, with or without a heart draw in hand, and we’re good. The only hand I’d be really worried about is AK with no hearts. That’s one of many hands he could be betting for protection.

I’m definitely raising now to get more money in. If he has the hand I think he does he’s going to want to stop us from drawing to a flush and will try to get all in now.

Pirate21 Reply:

Only 9 that makes any sense is pocket 9s especially if one is 9h - so he flops an under pair but the open ended s/f draw and turned it into semi-bluff. Now, he picked up the straight and figures he’s ahead so he continues the line.
Not the most likely scenario, but it’s reasonable.

Donkey Meat
2.5.10 / 7am

They definitely have AhKh. Fold.

_CityBorn_
2.5.10 / 7am

Not a chance we’re beat here. No one flops the joint and leads out by overbetting the flop heads up. hes protecting a hand like aa kk or on some other combo draw type hand. raise and get the money in good now or watch him fold.

Nelson
2.5.10 / 8am

Good quiz, tough spot. Not sure on this one. I kinda think villain is protecting and has Ace Queen for tptk. But who knows, he could definitely have Ace King and be way ahead of me. Part of me wants to just call to see if he will then check on the river, but that seems a little donkish. I’d rather choose between fold or raise. The blinds are still low, we’d still have an alright stack if we fold so I could reason with that option. But I could also see pushing all in right here too.

Pirate21
2.5.10 / 9am

I think we’re usually ahead here. Likely range for villain is something like 9/9+, A/Q+, Ah/10x+. Since we’re ahead of most of that range - and most of what we’re ahead is drawing to a bunch of outs we should raise to take down the pot now - and even the few hands we’re behind, our raise is very credible in this spot and we’ll get a fold a decent amount of the time.

Nncoco
2.5.10 / 9am

Toughest quiz yet. My instinct is to call but that is probablly why I don’t play online poker. Too little info. The right move here probablly a raise but it seems safer to just fold it with so many ways to loose. How is that no answer.

meh
2.5.10 / 10am

I’m folding here. I didn’t call with a suited connector to catch 2p. Been burnt too many times against the straight for that.

I called the overbet flop on a very dangerous board[1] and he has bet the turn. Sure he probably has a flush draw, but why do I need to get involved with such a marginal hand so early on.

His odd play lets me know he is probably a bad player[2] and I have position on him. This is a prime seat in this tournament and I can be patient.

[1] The same move I would make if I had a flush.
[2] Either overbets the nuts, overbets (semi-)bluffs or overbets for value. All this on a dangerous board out of position and paying no attention to information given him.

Pry
2.5.10 / 11am

Without a good read on our villan, I’m giving him credit for a hand that has us beat and I’m folding. It’s still early and the blinds are small, stay focused on gathering info and picking your spots.

Pete
2.5.10 / 11am

I think we raise and get it in for the same reasons we should have done this on the flop. We’re ahead of his range and have a ton of semi-bluffs in our own. It just seems to make way more sense to balance our range aggressively on this flop and never call.

samo
2.5.10 / 11am

Can’t call here, so it is fold or raise and I opted for the former. Very likely hero could be ahead, however open-raiser range certainly includes cards that make this board dangerous - A10, 109, spades, and even AA, KK. So not sure a raise will chase a villain we have no read on, and who has several outs. It is early, so I’ll muck rather than commit my stack.

Bobbob
2.5.10 / 5pm

I wouldn’t raise here, ’cause there’s not much other raises here than all in, any raise leaves us committed + we have absolutely no read. Raising is the worst opinion, even calling the bet and ‘re-evaluating’ on river would be better.

If we push, he calls with the best hand and folds the worse one, kinda stupid to push your stack in that situation.
It’s so easy to fold now and trap him later if he seems like the type of player who likes to just push people.

WasteOfPaint
2.9.10 / 7am

Fold.

With no read on the opponent we should not be committing our entire stack to a hand in which we are very possibly beaten.

The action here stinks of a hand that beats two pair but is beaten by a flush. We could easily be up against 99, AK or TT, or (less likely) JJ or QQ.

Best to be patient here.