Daily Hand Quiz

How could this be anything other than call? Are we supposed to believe that the spade made him believe in his club flush draw? He has QJ and somehow knows that a T is next? I’m skeptical that he has two aces over there.

I think that I’m missing something.

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Doubt you are missing anything — if he’s got you beat, this is what one refers to as a cooler, lol.

In spite of the fact that the warning signs are there — EP raise, tight player — you can do nothing but call. If he’s got 44, KK, AK or A4, you’re still somewhat healthy with ~15 BB. So call, hope for the best, take a rotation away from the table if he’s got it.

That’s poker.

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AK and KK have the hero beat. Hero has 1 ace so while not impossible, likely the v does not have the last ace. V is “fairly tight” so I’m not thinking suited cards from EP, but suited (clubs) KQ, QJ, and KJ are possible. KK would be a tough beat, but I don’t see how you can not call this. Hero has the v covered.

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Julian Reply:
August 13th, 2009 at 11:38 am

If he has two high suited clubs, he would have shoved on the reeraise after the flop, for maxium fold equity, and while he has better eequity in the pot for the flush draw (like 36 pervent on the flop, and 15 on the turn), plus tight players do not raise from early positon with QJ or KJ, and very rarely with KQ, you guys have been hypnotized by the fact that this a pretty big hand, but the cold truth is, in these circumstances, your opponent the vast majority of the time with have AK, or KK,

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Marty Reply:
August 13th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

Great response…. making these kinds of folds might be what separates great players from good players… as I was reading it I knew I wouldn’t fold… but also I knew the hands I expected to get shown beat me.

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I’m always very cautious when I hit trips, although with such a high kicker here it’s hard to fold.

V being a tight player I think we can rule out a preflop raise with A4, so that leaves AK, 44 and KK as the real danger hands. The weakest hands V might pfr with are AJ / A10 in my mind. Which might also fit with V calling a check-raise. Anything less V would probably fold. At the sametime, I think anyone with 44 in the hole would shove over the top of a check-raise given V’s remaining stack.

That to me leaves any pair from KK-JJ (10s maybe), A10, AJ, AQ and AK. Only two of those I fear in this spot and I would just have to pay them off – Call.

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i had a very similar hand when i played in the wsop main, utg raise i flatted AQ in pos, flop came AA8 two clubs, he bet i raised he called, turn came king of clubs and he open shoved 16k into a pot of about 6k. deja vu

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Casa Reply:
August 13th, 2009 at 6:41 am

And he had the K? 8? other?

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Bert Reply:
August 13th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

i folded, haunting me to the day

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lol what a donkey,called the check raise and hit his KK.Fold.

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I suspect the villain backed into a full house with KK. A tight player will not usually open from EP with a worse Ace than ours; AQ is possible for a chop but AJ is more hopeful than realistic. If he has AK then you would think he’d slow down once he fills up on the turn, but a shove is perfectly reasonable since he can expect us to call with any decent Ace.

So what are we beating exactly? AJ? TT-QQ turned into a bluff? There aren’t a whole lot of hands we beat in the villain’s range, we’re losing to the very obvious AK and KK, and this is such a terrible board for the villain to bluff on that it’s hard to believe he’d be bluffing with a worse hand very often.

I fold.

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I really dont understand the reasons for calling, you are beating practiclly nothing here. A fairly tight player wouldnt shove the turn with 99 1010 JJ, or QQ after a raise on the flop and a reraise, and two overs. At this point his only possible hands are AK, KK, AQ or AJ or 44, for a tight player raising in early position, his most probably hands aree AK,KK, or AQ, and his less probably hands are AJ, and 44, it is only possible but very unlikely that he holds A10 or A9. So lets go over this, you are losing 2 two of his hands that are most likely, AK, and KK, tieing one of the hands that is most likely, AQ, beating one of the hands that is less likely, AJ, losing to one of the hands that is less likey, 44, and beating two VERY unlikey hands A10 and A9. Good players need to learn how to fold trips, if there is a lot of action on the board it often means the opponent has trips with a bigger kicker, or a full-house, simply because with a pair on the board, it is so hard for a player to connect, so if he does, it is usually with the same trips.
This really isn’t that hard a fold.

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black fair Reply:
August 13th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

We are beating everything but KK and AK and we are only drawing dead to AK.

You have to consider the action to this point, both peoples image and perceived ranges and how they might be using their image and perceived range.

You’re saying that based on the action you think our opponents range is basically AK or KK. But what do you think the opponent thinks our percieved range is?

We flatted in the sb and check-raised a flop with two aces and a flush draw. When are we likely to make such a move? We can make it when we are on a flush draw. We can make it when we don’t believe our opponent has an ace and are c-betting a whiffed flop. We can make it with any weak or medium ace thinking we are good.

So our percieved range is wide open. Now the turn comes and we check.

Now it looks a whole lot more like we were making a play or drawing to a flush.

And bam, our opponent shoves. And he’s got you all paranoid that he’s holding the nuts and you’re ready to lay down top set.

Now consider his flat call on the flop. If I’ve got AK on that flop and I’m check-raised its going all in immediately. Flatting with AK is not solid play.

Now consider the turn bet, if I’ve got KK would i really try and fold my opponent out?

There is no way I fold this hand. If I’m beat I’m beat as sunshine said its a cooler. I still have outs vs KK so I call.

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there is noone that is going to fold this hand. first you check raise which is fine but it also eliminates most of his calling range here to Ax hands. which you are crushing and checking the K and he shoves there is no way he shoves AK here and that is the only hand that really beats you. i think even 44 checks the turn here to try and get value on the river.

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For those of you who say fold, do you think our flop check-raise was awful? It seems to me like it has to be. What exactly are we getting called by? Are we just weighing their hand largely towards a flush draw? It seems to me like playing bluff catcher the whole way is much more profitable than raising where no one behind us calls us.

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Fold. Tight players are generally not opening EP with a hand less than a range that you have beat. AK is a plausible Hand up until the Shove on the on turn. Most likely KK. Perhaps a better course of action is bet the turn and go from there, a blocking bet on the turn will generally only be shoved on by a better hand thus making your decision easier. But ive been playing for less than 6 months so I prob suck.

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I think this is a clear call. No way we can give up on this one. If villain has AK they will push All-in on the flop as they know we are commited with that 3250 raise.

Call and hope villain doesn’t have KK even if they have we still have 6 outers.

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