Daily Hand Quiz

Bet/Fold.

I struggle to see what hands a shortstacked EP raiser calls our three bet with out of position but doesn’t shove over the top.

Its a really weird line he’s presenting but I’m simply not going to just check through after 3-betting pre-flop.

His stack size means we really don’t need to bet much. 1/2 pot will do. He can’t continue without a hand he can’t expect a shove as a bluff to have any fold equity.

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dao Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 5:38 am

If you bet 1/2 pot and he shoves, you’re getting more than 7:1 pot odds. Even if he has AT, you still have to call.

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black fair Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

Name me one hand in his range I have a 1:7 chance of beating.

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dao Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

Any hand that’s not AA or a set.

Voted check. I’ll give credit to the v for their short stack play. No strong read on the v, however I’m thinking a c-bet would look obvious with that board and I don’t want to risk 20-25% of stack representing. I would not bet the turn either, preferring to get to the riv as cheaply as possible.

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Call. I play against un-clever players, so I use this great strategy of betting when I have good cards and not betting when I have not-good cards. It seems to work pretty well.

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Anonymous Coward Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 6:37 am

Uhh, “check”, I meant.

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Either he has broadway cards or big slick and decided to give up on the pot or he flopped a set and is going to check raise all in so he can double through us. Either way we can not go anywhere so we have to lead and find out. That is the only fold equity we have.
I say all in.

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duckslaw Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:16 am

All in is stupid. If he has a hand, then we’ll automatically pay him off. If we bet about 1/2 the pot, we can get away from it with less damage if he shoves (though as someone above pointed out, the pot would be laying some pretty good odds).

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ChumleyH Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:10 am

If we bet half the pot and he shoves that means its 700 for us to call a 5800 pot, you’re really getting away from that? Where do you play, I want in on the action!

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lol @ bet – fold

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black fair Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

lol @ check-through in a 3-bet pot.

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Duckslaw: if you bet and he shoves, your folding? THAT is stupid poker. Then you mention the odds make this hand not worth folding if he check raises all in. Make up your mind. He would have shoved with any pocket pair higher than the board so unless he flopped a set, he will fold if you shove. He probably has broadway cards and you might even have him dominated.
Again, I say all in.

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I voted check because he’s either got a mid PP in which case he’s check-raising all in, or he’s hit air and will give up. If he’s on air, and we check it down, we win if he had AJ, KQ, KJ, etc. I probably call a turn shove on a brick, but I can only see his range being a PP, a good but worse ace, or maybe broadway cards which are giving up.

I don’t want to shove here because his line screams PP/slowplay.

There are exactly no hands we don’t beat that he’s folding here. If he had AK, he’s 4-betting PF all-in. Everything else we win at showdown or we’re behind already.

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Jeff Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

No way he has a mid PP and check raises AI.

We have a strong line of at least JJ or big slick. If he had a mid pair, he’d have shoved already and hoped to god we fold overs (not suggesting this is a good play). But as has been mentioned 3x already, any check raise AI by him lays great odds for us to call, thus making his CR ineffective ESPECIALLY if we bet anywhere near 3/4 or more of the pot.

How much of a donkey would he be if he check raises with 2nd pair after we cbet w/ an OP?? He’d look like the biggest fish alive.

NO WAY he has a mid pair!

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black fair Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

I find this amusing because check-raising second pair is exactly what alekhine11 was advising in the previous quiz

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I raise 1400-1500.

It doesn’t look quite as suspicious as the big pot raise and let’s him know he has no fold equity. Mp1 raiser needs BBs could be stealing but unlikely.

“What do you do if you pair the turn” given that if he just calls he only has 500-600 behind, I put him all-in.

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