Daily Hand Quiz

Uh, fold?

Very rarely do you want to get JJ all in preflop.

I’d fold here but the arguments for shoving are somewhat reasonable. Whilst the tight image of the original raiser means there range isn’t wide open it also means that faising two re-raises they are likely to lay down all but the top of their range. So we can re-raise all in here to try and isolate the all-in player and if successful we’re doing okay with JJ against their shove range with an M < 10.

However, overall there are too many unknowns. The tight player can easily have a QQ+. The all-in player can have AQ/AK/KQ and be racing and any of the players still to act could wake up with a hand so really why after accumulating a good stack should we gamble on going broke with JJ?

If we were short stacked and desperate this would be a good spot to gamble. But we’re not so we can afford to wait for better spots.

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Ugly Jack Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am

Totally agree with this.

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DEFINTE FOLD!,,, You are up against a tight player, and a shover… its more than likely you are beat… u could always see the flop IF THE POT IS LOW… do not invest further in this… free money at… pokerstrateg y.ccom/u2YAUB

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i agree with blackfair, u cant call, i hate shoving here, so its a fold

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What ever happened to staff comments and “what happened”?

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what??? ALL IN. because you have more chips than a guy who reraised and less than the origin raiser,so if you get called by him you might also get rewarded and gooood chances and implied odds for scoop the whole pot.
NO FOLD—–ALL IN

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duckslaw Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

I don’t know what you think “implied odds” are, but that term isn’t really applicable here.

You vote to shove because “you might also get rewarded”? You can make that argument with any two cards.

I wish I ran into more players like you at my tables.

Best case scenario if you shove has everyone behind you fold, the original raiser fold, and the small stack with pocket 10′s. Pretty unlikely. Small stack may have an underpair and be shoving, but the tight raiser could already have us dominated. Most realistic situation is some sort of 55-45 coin flip, if not much worse. JJ early on with a good stack isn’t the time for this.

Black Fair said it first and said it best. Fold’em.

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Gotta fold…there are still three people to act and one of them has us covered. JJ isn’t good enough here.

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My initial instinct was to fold, but voted to raise – AI. Tight player could certainly have KK or QQ with a 4x, but I’m gambling here that it is AK. Our image works against us, but our strong move may get folds the rest of the way. It is a gamble, but only 3 hands are ahead of us p/f. This is either shove or fold – can’t call here.

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Fold.

I don’t like call.
I don’t like raise.
So I fold.

Coming over the top of a tight player raising from early position for not much more is a strong move. I wouldn’t be surprised to see AK flipped over by the shover at all. JJ is just about the midpoint of the tight players early raising range and the extra shove puts you at a disadvantage.

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Good quiz, this one.

I don’t think this is such an obvious fold at all. Original raiser might have a big hand, but he might not. And as blackfair pointed out, short stack all in and overshove can easily get a tight opener off his hand. Plus, even if you do get called with AK, chances are that OR and short stack cover each other’s outs.

What DOES worry me though is the fact that there are 3 more live players left to act. If I was in BB with this hand, then I would almost certainly shove, but here I am leaning towards a fold.

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TallWalkin Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

Agreed catcher. Very well said.

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