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Raise all in.

Good spot to re-steal.

Button’s range is quite wide. You know that. He probably knows you know that but he will still have to fold the majority of the range he’d be raising from the button with.

Hopefully BB gets out of the way hoping the button calls and knocks you out making them one closer to the money.

I’d shove and expect to pick up a nice addition to my stack most of the time. If we get called the only thing we really don’t want to see is a dominating king. Otherwise if we get a call our suited puppy dog won’t be doing that badly.

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Fold

He has enough chips to be making calls on the basis of pot odds, therefore he will call probably with 77+ AT+ A8s+ KJ&KQ.

We are about 40:60 underdog against this range, and I don’t feel like playing catch-up for all our stack.

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What do you guys think about the below analysises?

tight BB, small blind increase->reraise
loose BB, small blind increase->fold

tight BB, large blind increase->fold
loose BB, large blind increase->fold

2 Important missing pieces of info:
1)What is the BB’s image?
2)What do blinds increase to?

If BB is a rock, as your image is tight (and aggressive), button could be opening with an very wide range. A re-raise here steals the chips a good portion of the time. Unfortunately, when you are re-reaised or called when you shove, you are pot committed against a range that is bad for you, 55+, KJ-KQ, Ax.

If BB is loose preflop and loose postflop, bb probably has an A or good king or pp, which is a less favorable range for you and I lean towards fold as the strong regular would be expecting a loose call from the low stack.

The main reason I voted fold is because by re-raising light here is that a significant portion of opponent’s calling range dominates our hand. Consequently, when we are called we are often dominated with our tournament life on the line. If the BB and villain, we gain only 1 BB if blinds double on next hand and we are stuck in a little better than the same situation having to double through by shoving in. If blinds only increase to 300/600, then we risked 12BB to gain 4.5BB or over 1/3 our stack which could last us through the blinds 3 times. So how much the blinds are increasing make quite a difference.

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black fair Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 2:55 am

This is such a straight forward steal spot for the button.

If I was the Button I would be raising there with almost any two cards – i’m betting 1,500 to steal a pot of 1,290 and I’m attempting to steal from short stacks who will be tightening up as the money approaches. Their stack sizes and position means they cannot call they either shove or fold their hand.

With the button’s stack raising any two cards here is going to be profitable the majority of the time.

Now when the SB shoves, if I was the button what can I continue with? Its now 5,500 to win < 10K. I’ve been shoved into by a TAG who is putting their tournament on the line. I personally am not calling that shove with less than KQ/AJ+ and 99+.

As the button I’m going to make steal attempts frequently in this spot because its a way to consistently grow my stack, but I’m not going to look up someone who shoves into me with speculative hands.

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Obviously the opponent image info given here is totally inadequate. What we need to know is his late position steal%. He knows that a button raise is unlikely to get much respect, and he knows that you’re going to be shoving over a lot with your stack size. Therefore it’s quite possible he’ll be raising a tightish range that is ahead of K9s and calling a ship with all of it.

That said, with no reads I’m probably shipping here, doesn’t need that many folds to be a good play.

One thing no one seems to have considered is that his raise size is kind of suspicious. 3xing the button at this blind level? Don’t really know what exactly to read into that though.

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but it was soooooted? just because villain is at the DB doesnt mean he has no hand. his raise makes sure that the blinds cant simply call here, so he seems to be ready for a showdown. and i would hate to go into a battle with a hand that is very likely dominated. it is one thing to shove a bad hand when the pot is unopened, it is another when you call or reshove someone who has told you that he is strong (maybe a liar or not). since there is no appearent FE on our side and we would be racing at best i fold and take my own turn when it comes to stealing the next two rounds.

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Im with black fair

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Voted raise – AI. Hero M<6 and K9s is doing well enough against the raiser’s avg range. TAG image makes this a good spot to try and chip-up. BB may get out of the way, nonetheless hero is short anyway.

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A “solid regular” who knows us to be TAG isn’t going to push with air here. Villain has to know that we are capable of coming back over the top. Given our image, I find it hard to believe he’s raising light. He almost certainly has us beat, possibly dominated (though that’s less likely). I’m thinking something like a mid-pair (55-88) or maybe a suited wheel Ace (A5d). I don’t suspect a monster.

The main problem, as Pete pointed out, we don’t know his steal% at all. Does he ALWAYS 3x it when he raises, regardless? If so, it’s a much tougher read.

A shove on our part might pick it up, but we still do have a playable stack if we fold. We also then get position to set up a shove in the next orbit.

Maybe I’m giving villain too much credit, or maybe I’m too risk averse, but I don’t like resting my tourney on K9h.

Finally, if we do shove, we are hoping the BB gets out of the way, but what if he wakes up with a hand? The blinds are going up, so his SB next hand will cost more. Our shove gives him better odds (not necessarily correct odds, but better) to call and roll the dice, especially if he has paint. Without a read on BB, there’s really no way I am comfortable with a shove. Worst case scenario, BB and button call, and there’s no way we’re a favorite.

Grit your teeth, fold, and wait for a better spot.

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Next hand the blinds will be 300/600/70 and this will take our effective M to about 5 so this is trivially easy re-steal spot. This is really the last moment when our shove still has some real fold vig, and even if we go get called this is enough of a hand to put your chips in with against a button raise and extra juice – as once we ship it, BB will need a very strong hand to call, risking his tournament life in what will likely become 3-way showdown.

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Thing is, the button has to know this. If button is at all aware, he knows that we essentially have to try a resteal here with the blinds going up. Thus, I worry that we are flipping at best. I doubt a shove will push him out, as I can’t believe he’s light here.

I think it’s a real close call, and I’m not at all against going for it with our hand. A better read on the button’s steal% and raising habits would make this an easier decision.

(What really happened: you folded, and were dealt absolute crap for the next orbit and were forced to go all-in on 76s. You hit a straight flush and went on to win the tournament).

If only…

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catcher Reply:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Button is very deep and EVEN THOUGH he knows that we are correct to play back relatively light, he still should put pressure on tight blinds even if he has to fold to a shove. Because the alternative would be to give blinds a walk which would amount to about 10-15% of their respective stacks. In addition to that, opening with a wide range at button here increases the value over the whole distribution – often you take it down with a bet, and what you lose by having to fold to shoves you gain when you happen to get shoved into (rather than folded) when opening with the strong end of your distribution.

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you post under my name but still put your blacklabel nick in it?

you moron.

and then you post under another name straight away.

pathetic.

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You Guys are all talking about reads, steal percentage, ect. You forgot that the hero has practicly no chips left, his M is like 6, next round it will be like 5.
Right now you have a decent hand, a some nice vigor against an opponent who may very well have a weak hand.

You need to shove.

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