May 22, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: $30 rebuy, Full Tilt Poker
Stage of tourney: Rebuy period closed
Your image: n/a
Opponent’s image: No read
Your hand: A♥K♥

The setup: You’ve got a decent stack in the mid stages of this rebuy tournament when the following hand comes up.

UTG open-raises for about 20 BBs. The table folds to you on the button. What’s your play?

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black fair


Fold.

I generally assume if an opponent does this they have a good pocket pair. 88->QQ.

After the rebuy period you don’t usually see people making this move with AQ/AJ.

I would also presume they don’t have AA/KK so if I was tilting / hated the player / was tired / etc I might say what the hell lets go flipping.

But in general with no read and no great desire to play bingo I fold.

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black fair


Also calling starts to price in the SB/BB.

In general AKs welcomes multiple people pre-flop but thats only when you can evaluate the flop and play some poker.

I’d hate to call in this spot thinking I’m flipping only to have both short stacked blinds figure they have odds to play QJ / J10 / 56 etc.

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McCowish


Fold.

Strategically, you must fold. There are certain players who are total noobs who only open shove AA, KK, and just call with a bunch of other hands. Then there are the drunks and the “I don’t give a f*** boyas”.

I might be tempted to call if it’s a “thirsty” thurseday or friday night and between 2 AM and 4 AM at the shover’s location.

Unless we are certain he would make this move this AQ or less it isn’t worth our call. And yes, he is crazy to move in for 20x BB, but perhaps crazy like a fox and folding for a lite call.

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Richard P


I wouldn’t say the shove is crazy. I’d shove JJ UTG in this spot to pick up the blinds and antes for a 10% increase.

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Richard P


Interesting, the pot odds from the blinds and antes actually don’t compensate enough to make this +EV against JJ or even 88-QQ (range stated by black fair) with AK thrown in too.

So this is a -EV call unless we think opp can open with less than AK.

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Bert


im not sure how ppl are discounting AQ here

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Bert


plus its suited

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i play poker at 14


he has an M of 8 or so, so his shove range is reasonably wide. all i can see him having is a pair from 7s to Qs, AK AQ or AJ.

with AK here, i’d fold, because we have an M of 13, and that gives us some flexabiity.

if we call and win, we have a bit more flexabiity, but it is reduced as there are shortstacked players at the table, in shove/fold mode

if we call and lose, we are in shove/fold mode, fexability is out of the question

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Kate


With two behind with small stacks, I voted Fold. Too much chance that one or both blinds will also shove.

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Anonymous


There isnt too many poker players around who would open shove with qq+ utg and did not want action as a 20bb stack. its seems like a scared bet to me, I call with AKs and fold AKo.

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fold


You have a drawing hand. You’re hoping that amongst the range of hands UTG could shove with, for you to call, he has to specifically have: AQ, AJ … Maybe since it’s a Rebuy he may be absurdly aggro and shoving with KQ, but it’s unlikely…

Anything other than that is a coin flip.. unless he actually has KK or AA in which case you’re dominated badly. Other possibilities are all pretty much made hands.

Also, to the guy who said he’d call with AKs but fold AKo … stop answering poker quizzes and go read up on your odds… Suited vs. offsuit is 100% irrelevant in this situation. Okay, more like 99% irrelevant, but still…

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Jeff


@ Bert

“plus it’s suited” is the most elementary line in poker. It is a scarlet letter for bad players.

Suited cards only increase your win percentage by 2 percent.

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Bert


@ Jeff

it was a joke

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Richard P


Ironically the ~2.5% difference between AKo and AKs is enough to weight it to a correct call against QQ-88, AK.

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Jeff


@ Richard

I’m confused. Your 3 posts seem to be contradictory. The first 2 advocate for a fold, but your latest suggests the suited AK weight it to a correct call against QQ-88?

I disagree with any call. As blackfair mentioned, this type of move is usually done with some PP…whether it be 22 or QQ, it makes no difference. But even if i’m POSITIVE he has some pair in that range, i’m not calling. Even with the extra 2%. It’s -EV, no matter how u cut it. Not to mention you’ll have such better opportunities in the future with a fairly healthy stack.

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_CityBorn_


I call cause Im a sheriff like that. Knuckleheads who open shove utg for 20 bbs deserve to bust. And besides, he doesnt have AA/KK, so Im flipping at worst.

@jeff

I actually did the odds on suited vs non suited in many situations, and most of the time its closer to 4%. I know…surprised me too.

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catcher


In a spot like this, I’d say at least 90% of times you’re flipping with AK. It is one of the very fundamental things in tournament poker that chips won are generally worth less than chips lost and this would lead one away from actively seeking flips for a major chunk of their stack. I mean it is obviously fine to flip with a small stack, or to flip when you’re risking blinding out, but here neither is the case.

So I fold.

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Chad Gerson


It’s sick but you have to fold.

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Tony G


I’d call because I have the heart and the committment. Bring on the Russians, time to leave for the guy who’s shipping from under the gun. On your bike, uppity uppity. Dont applaud him!!

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Mare


Well, being a professional poker player, I know you must always call with AK. I mean it looks so pretty and always hits. Take a shot, I mean whats the odds that guy will hit a set with his pocket ducks anyway. I forget. Anyway, I vote Call.

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Morat


Call. If you don’t like gambling try chess instead.

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KataLyzT


I made this same kinda mistake in a live tourney by not calling in this spot with AK.

This is mid stage, you’re dwelling into a shortish stack next blind…you need to take as much chance as possible to accumulate chips and calling AKs vs a short stack’s range open shoving is reasonable.

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