Daily Hand Quiz

Check-fold.

Finally a question where we don’t have a strong hand!

I’m going to give up on this one. There are simply too many factors that make this a bad spot — my image, stack sizes, my opponents play in the hand, and the fact that I’ve totally whiffed the board.

My image is aggressive and I’ve been smooth called pre and on the flop. The turn is a really bad card as it completes two draws that coincide with a villain floating the flop.

I would have to lead a significant portion of my remaining stack, essentially committing myself, w/ A high…

A check raise is out of the question b/c assuming the V bets at least 1/2 pot (probably closer to 2/3), he’ll be getting better than 2:1 on a call and with our diminished FE as an aggressive player, he’s even more likely to call us down like he’s done twice already.

Plus, what exactly do we beat here? Best case scenario we’re drawing to 14 outs w/ 1 card to come…roughly 28% to win.

Check and hope for a free river.

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Real tricky spot all dependent on the V’s tendencies. Does he float? Does he play his draws passively? I think given our stack size our next move has to be a check, as much as I would love to fire again here. I would be tempted to check call up to half pot if thought V was on a steal or would pay us off a little if we hit a 4th club on the riv.

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Lead half pot.

I think if we check here the opponent is very likely to bet. That’s the whole point of floating the flop to take it on the turn when the OOP aggressor gives up.

So the flush has hit the board, now the fact we have the case Ace is our big advantage. If our opponent has the flush they know they don’t have the nuts. If they have hit their straight they know they don’t have the nuts because the flush is out there. Furthermore if our opponent doesn’t believe our second barrel and they have a had the optimal play for the is often another flat call hoping we’ll be again on the river.

Now I don’t think its a certainty that we won’t get re-raised. We might and we’d have to fold. But I think there’s a very good chance we won’t get re-raised.

So lets lead for some fold equity and to set the size of the bet.

I think check-folding here is a very legitimate option. Out of position whiffed AK against the big stack is a terrible terrible spot. But i’d take a chance here.

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bad typo above, should read:

“Furthermore if our opponent doesn’t believe our second barrel and they have a HAND the optimal play for the is often another flat call hoping we’ll be again on the river.”

@ Richard P

I’d be very happy to check-call half pot as well. But a floater who wants to take it on the turn should be betting pot or at least 2/3 pot. That’s why I lead half pot because thats how much I’m willing to pay to see the river and I think my opponent would charge me more if checked to.

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check raise all-in

What could your opponent possibly have?
-Can’t have straight, due to previous action
-Can’t have 2 pair due to previous action
-Made flush, unlikely, as he would have to call with 2 big clubs, without an ace, as we hold it, if he was this loose we would probably have picked up on it already
-overpair
-2 big cards
-pure bluff

With a made flush, he could bet behind and would certainly call the all in, we would be in a bad position with only 7 outs, But he could check behind, hoping you are on a straight draw, we could see another card for free, possibly giving us a winning hand.

With an overpair, most likely QQ or JJ he would undoubtedly bet, and at the sight of a raise he woud seriously consider folding, considering action to him is small Raise UTG, bet on the flop, then check-raise all in, we could well have KK or AA. We would have a huge amount of fold equity against an overpair, and if he caled we still have 9 flush outs, and 2 kings and 3 aces as outs also.

2 big card and he will definetely lead-fold, or his call on the flop would be pointless as he must have been planning to bet the turn. if he bet-calls with 2 overcards, that’s freaking great, we have him crushed, but unlikely to happen.

Same applies to a bluff

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i would probably shove but thats me being over aggressive i suppose, maybe I shoud take note of other ppls actions

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I would lead, but reconsidered and see “i play poker at 14″‘s play as a better choice. Check-raising allin could make any straight/lower game fold; the pot would be as it is shouldnt be given up esasily… A c-r on any <=15K bet is the best play IMO.

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Check-fold. I’d love to see a cheap riv, but that will not happen unless the v checks. Have 9 clean outs, so need about 4-1 to call, and the v is likely to bet between 1/2 to 3/4 pot. Another club will halt the action so forget implied odds. I don’t believe a lead with our agg image will take it down. C-R commits us against the big stack, whose range could include suited cards, a pair, or even a set. We still have an M~13, so fold and look for another oppy.

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Am I the only one that no longer sees the results of these scenarios?

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This is a $5 buy in tourney – without a read, we don’t know how villian managed to build his stack – could have been a suck out on a bad play for all we know. You might get a check to your check even if he has a piece of the flop. He could have been playing A7 or A8 of diamonds for all we know. Or he might have a set and been slow playing us, although a flat call would have been a terrible play for either siuation given the draws on the board (buy again we are in a $5 tourney). If the stack sizes were different, my play might be different, but I check and fold. I am in the money and second in chips at the table. There are going to be better spots to make a play – bluffing in a $5 tourney against a big stack is very risky.

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@ blackfair

If you lead for 1/2 pot and get called again, what’s your play for the river if:

You hit an A or K (TP)?

Nut flush?

Whiff?

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CR all in. Sets and straights look unlikely given the flop call, and if he has flush then tough luck, lets pray for our 7 outs. The rest of the hands will have a hard time calling our shove, and even if they do, we have a live hand. We’re in the money, time to play for the final table.

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Bet 35K. The big stack has to realize you are pot committed and losing 50K would hurt him. It looks stronger than a shove even though it’s almost the same thing because we’d call a raise. Plus it looks like we are protecting a set from the straight and flush draws.

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wow people want to check-raise all in with a handful of outs against the big stack.

at least true to image I suppose.

no wait, it says aggressive, not psychotic.

@ Jeff

What I would do after leading? Well probably the same thing you’d do after checking through. Check-call if we hit an ace or king since I think we have some showdown value.* Lead if the flush gets made. Check-fold if we whiff.

*I’d be pretty keen to pay just to see his hand in some respects in order to get some sort of read.

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