
Game type: $100 1R 1A, Full Tilt Poker
Stage of tourney: Getting near money
Your image: LAGish
Opponent’s image: Solid regular
Your hand: T♦9♦
The setup: You’re nearing the money with a solid stack in this $100 1r 1a tournament. This hand you get a suited T9 on the button and decide to mix up your play and limp when then table folds to you. The SB folds and the BB checks. You whiff the flop:
3♣4♣2♠
When the SB checks, you decide to take a stab and fire 600. You get called and pair the turn with the 9♣; your opponent checks and you check back. You river two pair with the T♠ and the BB leads for 1700.
What’s your play?
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I’m not sure I see too much value in raising. There is a chance to get more value from a weaker two pair but I think the most likely response from the opponent to a raise would be to fold or shove and I wouldn’t want to call a shove here.
It’s pretty hard to know where we are at because of our check on the turn. I think a bet on the turn would’ve given us a lot more information about our opponents hand. If they raised we are likely no good, if they called and bet river we are likely no good. Checking through was weak so a ten on the river that doesn’t complete any draws could well be enough for the opponent to take a stab at stealing the pot with a hand weaker then ours. At the same time they could be strong and the turn check was an attempt to get a bet from us that missed.
I think its fine just to call this.
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I agree w/ OP, call this one down
You cannot raise any amount that will be called, imo. You’re only looking at fold or shove.
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Black fair nailed it.
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Opponent is in big blind, therefore every possible two pair is in his range. With your lag image he’s surely calling a raise with every two pair hand, all of which you beat. He may call down lighter still if he thinks you’re full of it. Blackfair’s reasoning for betting turn is bad, you should only bet turn for value, and I think the player made the correct assessment that the main value in the pair of tens was to call a river bluff or thin value bet, not to get called by worse on the turn.
It’s very easy with position on the river to just close the action and see a showdown, but I think you miss some value here by doing this.
As an aside, did those who said just call expect him to fold his two pair hands to a shove? If so you really think this you should probably be shoving as a bluff here with all of your air.
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Our 2 pair could be beat by a turned flush who checked the turn to raise. I don’t think a worse hand, even 2 pair, would call a river raise, at least I wouldn’t. We don’t know where we are at as checked behind on the turn so just call this one down.
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easiest call of my life
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Voted call. Hero is up against a solid reg, so it is likely that a raise will not be called unless they are ahead. Problem is that the way the hand played-out (limpers, turn-check) hero has no idea where he stands. Now is not the time to find out. Hero is getting 2.5-1 to call, so folding top two seems extremely.
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extremely weak.
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Folding isnt even a consideration.
The question is the risk reward with regard to raising. I agree with Pete that not raising here loses value from a lot of hands that will pay you off. There are lots of 2 pair combos the blind could have, plus he could put you on a weak hand after playing it so soft. Top pair might even pay you.
Still I voted call. My main consideration was how many hands there are in villains range that beat you. There are many straight and flush possibilities, plus sets. He could have played any of those tricky in this way. If you raise and youre beat, youre going to be in for 10k, and the reality is more often than not, if he doesnt fold, hes got a better hand than you and YOURE paying HIM off.
So I figure it like this. If you call 1700 you win most of the time. If you raise to 4k. Most of the times he folds. Sometimes he doesnt. Of the times he doesnt, you pay him 10k more often than he pays you the additional 2300.
Call.
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Suppose villian came allin instead of just raising? What then?
The price is not steep so that a call is the right play here; even thought IMO hero will be behind around 40% of the time. He could have 2 pair and loose and that would still justify his raise, he could be stealing, but most of the time he is ahead with any low trips, straight or a flush. Still the prize is right and there is no way a good fold.
Were it all in thought (even know it screams a bluff) i´d fold for the pot is not good enought as to justify the risk.
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Chances are small he has you beat. Raising on the river screams strength. I’ve got a pretty good hand. Call me crazy. I raise.
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Only question is if you call and see the river and he shoves, will you be paying him off. I don’t know if I could fold on the river I think I might shove here if the chips are going in anyways. If he has a flush, grats, if not make him pay for any draws that he has.
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Call. I’ll raise if I’m feeling spunky, but in most cases I’d just call. If I did raise, I would double his bet.
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@ Pete
“Blackfair’s reasoning for betting turn is bad, you should only bet turn for value”
When the turn gives me top pair and completes the flush my bet accomplishes many things. Firstly it is for value – I have top pair. Secondly its a semi bluff representing the flush. And thirdly how my opponent responds is information.
I know you’ve probably read somewhere that you shouldn’t bet for information but it’s a little bit more complex than that.
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We are getting near money and we have a solid stack about 50BB. Just call and continue to play tight and cautious until the bubble breaks and I’m sure we will get there..
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