February 10, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: $322 WSOP Satellite, Full Tilt Poker
Stage of tourney: Early
Your image: A little loose
Opponent’s image: No strong read
Your hand: A♣4♣

The setup: You’ve built a decent stack in this WSOP satty with loose play, but you’ve shown down strong. This hand you get a suited ace in EP. UTG limps and you overlimp; three other players limp. You flop trips:

A♠7♠A♦

The UTG limper leads for 60. You call and the button calls. The turn brings the 8♣. UTG checks, you check, and the button bets pot. UTG folds and you call.

The river makes your boat with the 4♣. You check, and the button bets a bit under pot. What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff says: I think a call is best here. Given the limp on the button preflop, it’s unlikely you’re against AK or AQ. With the board as it is, it seems as if A6 and below would probably just check, as their kicker isn’t playing. So, you’re beating A9-AJ and losing to A7 / A8 and 77. You also don’t have any guarantee that opp will call your raise with A9 and AT, as it’s really tough for them to be ahead of much of anything. To me, that’s the tiebreaker here.

What actually happened: You called and were shown A9.


23 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

Anonymous


>> So, you’re beating A9-AJ and losing to A7 / A8 and 77.

Err, I have Aces full of fours, how can I lose to sevens full of aces?

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j


I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t raise here. The button likely has an A, and its not like AK/AQ/AJ are impossible hands here, as the button could have just been weak/tight and chose to limp on the button with 4 limpers ahead.

The way we played the hand we could have easily had a flush draw, and we even chose to check the river. When our hand is so under represented, I don’t see why a raise is a bad play here. The staff’s analysis is always, based on the results.

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porosenochek


Ну вот, дожился… Скоро за монитором буду проводить больше времени, чем с девушкой ((

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Richard P


Call – wtf?! I’m shipping and stacking off to A8 or A7 100% of the time here. I’m not losing value from someone with trips, I have a boat, the effective nuts. Ship it!

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Mare


You “overlimp” wtf, jesus must we term everything. You can’t overlimp, surely thats a raise, jesus wept.

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runefs


This is a tournament. Your under constant pressure of collecting chips. There’s no way you could sesibly fold this hand. Two hands are beating us. A8 and A7 there’s only three of each possible at all. Any A would fit the button play (some A more likely than others) which is more than 40 hands add to that 77 (3),88 (3) so out of the 60 or so very possible hands we shouldn’t call due to a measly 10% of them. Im with Richard P Ship!

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runefs


EDIT: it should have said more than 50 hands

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Tripps


Clearly, staff phoned it in today – ship it.

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samo2


Voted raise without batting an eye. Unlikely that the v has the case ace. If they bet the pot on the turn, I believe they will call a value raise on a river 4. I would not shove, but make it ~2800, hoping they have something like the actual hand played.

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Loki


Super duper easy raise. As noted, 77 does not beat you (nor 88 nor 44). In fact, these three hands pay you off big time. Sure, there’s no way to tell if the button as A7 or A8 vs. the hands you beat (the flop/call turn/lead could be done with A2 or AK or something along those lines). But it is also unlikely that the button will read you for A4 exactly (unless it’s Daniel Negreanu in which case you shouldn’t be playing this game anyway).

Also, I don’t think AQ and AJ are out of the realm of possibility now, or even AKs as that hand might limp so as to not scare out callers. I don’t like a 2800 raise here only because your opponent has 3295 and that bet makes it look like you are rooting for a call. Unless your opponent is a bad player (who will ship a weak A to your raise), I go all-in here to simulate a check-raise bluff.

After the fact, I’m not sure if an A9 would call a check-raise all-in, but if he/she didn’t it would be a pretty darn good laydown and your opponent wouldn’t know if you are bluffing or not. I think trip aces usually pay you off here.

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_CityBorn_


There are only 2 hands that beat us (A8 and A7), and many more than that which might call us and lose. (All the other aces, 77, 88, 56s). Even if they fold, what have we lost? We dont have to showdown and we win the same amount of chips anyway. Obvious raise.

Also, I dont think AK or AQ is out of the question. Ive seen them played like this on occasion….you vary play, disguise strength, and dont commit a ton of chips preflop given that the hands miss a fair amount.

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Kid Canada


porosenochek – Excatly what I would have said – couldn’t have put it any better.

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Fidelio


No problem playing Daniel Negreanu, here. He will figure out that you must have A4, then proceed to call anyway and lose, whatever he has.

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McCowish


Raise.

Staff, why waste our time with this joke quiz?

You have 3rd nuts on a board that sucks in many hands not as good as yours.

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julien0912


easy raise all in in my opinion.
Aces fullhouse won’t bet pot at the turn I think.
You will get called by smaller fullhouses wich are definitly in his range.

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Ld


Yeah this quiz is a joke…

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Hc


Call? wtf he might fold to a reraise but lots of his chips are already in. You want him to call ur raise so raise

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Ld


I love how we river the 4c that we hold.

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McCowish


LOL nice pick-up Ld XD.

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Twills


Lol @ Loki “(unless it’s Daniel Negreanu in which case you shouldn’t be playing this game anyway).” Easy raise. Overbet it, if you get a call great if you get a fold you get the same amount – easy play. Unsure why staff says what they say

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_Donk_


I would fold.

I wouldn’t want anyone to know that I had rigged the deck and put my own card on the board.

Also, I would be afraid he has “77″ and, ummmm, beats us.

lmao

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_Donk_


Also, no way he bets pot on turn with boat. He would have wanted to keep you in.

Trips seem like his hand for sure–therefore, a raise seems obvious. I would suspect A9, A10, or AJ from him.

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Sky


When the 4 hit on the river, what other play were you hoping for than to put all of your chips in the middle? Calling is a weak play.

If the 4 didn’t hit the river, the best you could have hoped for was that you were up against a bluff or a wired pair in the first place!

If you’re unlucky to have been up against A7 or A8 then that’s tough…you shouldn’t have been chasing for a 4 in the first place to the river and you got outplayed.

You just hit the second best possible card (maybe the best card if the other A is still out there against you). Put the test back on the opponent and make them think that they were up against the A8 in the first place and that you’re outplaying them. Raise all in. You may be giving the opponent the chance to lay down their A4, A9, AT, AJ, AQ, AK, or pocket pair without knowing what they were really up against, or make a big profit when they call.

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