Daily Hand Quiz

Fold is an option? Call for set value here. I would only reraise in this spot with JJ+ as a normal raise to say 500 would normally commit us to having to put the rest in on any flop if called. In fact I would shove jacks to pick up the 25% gain and make a normal 3bet with AA-QQ.

By reraising with 7s we would effectively be turning our hand into a bluff, putting a third if our stack in the middle that has to get past two opponents – way too risky a squeeze here IMO.

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Richard you need to rethink your set mining situations. 8.3:1 is your odds of hitting a set. When you hit your set, they do not always put more money into the pot reducing your implied odds. When you hit your set they sometimes only put a cbet amount into the pot, again, reducing your implied odds. When you hit your set, sometimes you lose to a higher set, straight or flush. You need closer to 15:1 with position and 20:1 out of position.

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Im with Richard. Im setmining…but im not JUST setmining. I have position, and possibly the best hand anyway. Im playing poker here…..

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@ Eric

According to your math I have to win 1245 to make this +EV play. When we call the pot becomes 525 so I only need to win 720 more. There are currently two opponents in and with my call the BB would be getting over 5 to 1 to complete making the pot 625. If that’s the case I would need to make less than a pot sized bet which would be more than likely.

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We could set mine in position, sure. We might even flop the best hand if we’re up against two broadway hands.

This seems like a textbook setup for a squeeze, though. It is unlikely the overcaller will call a shove so that $150 is pretty much dead money. Our only risk is the original raiser calling with a higher pair. If he has overcards then we’re racing and with the money already in the pot I don’t mind that at all.

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@ John

You advocating a shove here? This is a satellite quiz, you’re gonna be flamed for sure!

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Voted fold. If the BB calls 100, then the hero’s call would be getting a bit more than 3-1 (475-150). I’d prefer to get at least 4-1 before going forward. The SB’s large stack also looms as a potential squeeze with 2 calls to agg opener. Shoving seems risky at this point.

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Oh, I’d raise with JJ, QQ, KK.

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Richard: Heheh, yeah, I shove. Flame away!

We really need to know the payout structure of this satellite to make a fully informed decision. The problem doesn’t say if this is a large field MTT satellite or a winner-take-all 9-man SNG satellite.

If it were the latter, for example, you’d want to play this exactly like a cash game. In winner-take-all tournaments your equity ends up directly proportional to your stack size, even taking ICM into account. That means any +cEV play is +$EV, so you should play regular cash game poker. Any play that expects to win chips is a good play.

The flatter the prize pool, though, the greater an effect ICM has. As the payout structure flattens a big stack is worth less and less, so it is less and less worth it to try to gain chips in marginal situations. This is particularly acute the closer you get to the bubble. Losing X chips hurts a lot more than gaining X chips helps, so there are lots of situations where a play that wins chips (+cEV) hurts your cash equity (-$EV).

Here, it’s early on in the satellite. Given no other information a case could be made for any of the options, to be honest.

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the stacks aren’t deep enough to play this for set value. the play here is to 3 bet and then strong c-bet on the flop regardless of what falls. if villain reraises preflop or flop its an easy fold. having a quiet image allows you to pick this pot up a good perentage of the time.

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Richard you can’t add your call amount to the win amount, that’s ridiculous. Your math is way off. How you see 15:1 odds is funny. You really should quit poker if you don’t understand the math behind making SIMPLE good or bad decisions. This is not very complicated math for pot odds and implied odds.

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Eric, the only place I see anyone reference 15:1 odds is in your first post. Also, implied odds is what you “could potentially win”. What your opponent has behind that you could win if you get it all in by the river and you have the winning hand. Anyway, I call.

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I’m confused, whats a set?

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I flat call for sure, from a ‘feel guy’s’ point of view, im in position with a medium pair if the flop comes low cards or a set I’ll continue; otherwise I’ll give it up to some resistance. Not that hard guys.

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Snap 3 bet… It specifically states you have a quite image, and it is early in the tournament.

Let check out our options.

1. Fold = Wtf are you going to paly poker with if not a poker pair in position, so that’s a joke.

2. Call = I probably like it even less than folding, because we are just giving money away. We are going to be folding to so many cbets whether we are ahead or behind.

3. Shoving = This is a questionable play, but it is better than option 1 or 2. I don’t think this is the right option, because it is early in the tournament and we shouldn’t start straight up flipping. I also think we are going to get as many folds shoving as we would 3-betting. Thus, it is just not the right spot.

4. 3-Bet = Awesome. We are in position. Two guys to our right, who are also MP and LP raise and call respectively. We put the raiser on a very wide range of hands that can’t really call a 3-bet, such as broadways, mid sc, and lower PP. The player who called after the OR could be calling with a really wide range as well not being too afraid of being dominated because the OR has a wide range. And here we come in, 3 betting into two other players. Our play gives us money from folding equity, and worst case scenario, we are seeing a big pot with an already made marginal hand.

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Fold,

We aren’t deep enough for set value so call is out and his raising range has to include K6, K5,K4 for this to be profitable. Not only that, but we would then have to readjust for E’s cards and it’s just not worth it. Just be patient. Generally coming over the top with 2 left to act to foil a possible steal isn’t worth the loss of tourney survival IMHO. Satetellite buy-in would help a lot with this sort of scenario–some lower-level satys might not even notice that you have been particularly quiet.

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