
Game type: Full Tilt Poker 1k Monday
Stage of tourney: Early
Your image: Fairly quiet
Opponent’s image: Nothing remarkable
Your hand: K♣Q♣
The setup: You’ve built up a bit from your starting stack in the Full Tilt Poker weekly 1k buy in freezeout when the following hand comes up. You’re dealt KQc in the BB. UTG+1 raises 3x and the CO calls. You call and flop top pair and a straight draw:
J♥Q♥T♠
You check. The raiser bets 380 into 570. The CO calls and you call. The turn brings the 2♣.
What’s your play?
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Sticky spot. On one hand, you’d expect the raiser to shut down after getting called in two spots on the flop. On the other hand, this flop is so draw heavy that he knows both of you can be in there pretty light, and wet flops put raisers in a good spot to rep very strong hands.
The question to ask is: how will a lead look to your opponents? I think it will be a bit too transparent – it’s really going to come off as a blocking bet. If you’re going to bet, I’d almost go with something ridiculously small to attempt to force both opponents to play their hands face up at the lowest possible risk to you.
Personally, I’d check and call up to 2/3rd pot or so – anything more, or any additional action in front and I think it’s time to exit this hand. The pair isn’t that strong, the draw is transparent, and you may already be drawing dead to a chop – plus this pot is getting big in a hurry, and calling large here will make for some awkward river decisions.
You checked. The raiser bet 980 and the CO folded. You called.
We’ll continue this hand with a quiz on Monday
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I would have been tempted to check raise the flop to 4-5x but that move would now commit our stack with just one pair and one card to come and the nuts could already be out there. Equally now is not the time to lead after our weak flop line. I agree with the staff analysis, check call small (for me anything less than 1000 on turn) this hand down.
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If somebody continues betting in this pot either has a strong hand or a strong courage. I check-call small hoping to check it down but it is really a weak variation. I’d probably check-fold the flop as I can’t see how I’m in front of an UTG+1 raiser in this board.
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why are we going nuts with a straight draw, our pair is no good here, oop check fold for sure
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Check fold. Board is uber coordinated and nailed the majority of the pf raisers range (i.e. TT+,AK,AQ). Check/calling is pretty much spew. Leading can possibly put the original raiser in a tough spot without a huge hand with a player to act behind, but is only slightly better than check/calling and both are very spewy.
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The deuce certainly did not help the hero, so leading does not seem to be a logical option. Check-call is ok, if the bet is <1/2 pot. Check-fold is what I’d suggest – outs are not all clean & a chop could be in order.
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i like what staff says, but not his final decision. i agree with if your gonna lead, lead small,and if you get raised, muck it. Theres no way we want the pot to get big here.
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first i wouldve check raised the flop to find out what was really happening. a/k or a/q are bad news for us. a CR will quickly define hands in a 3 way pot. a/k and we’re cooked, if either of them flat calls, im suspecting a/k in the mix. its possible we could get a/q off their hand though, for the same reasons people are advocating fold now. on this board, against a check raise, a/q wont feel too happy, knowing a second pair most likely buries them, and their dodging lots of outs against two players even if their ahead. those are worst case scenarios. a set is similarly unlikely to love their hand on the flop, and will probably shove over a flop check raise to protect. you can find that out pretty easily.
in a spot like this, unless the other guys got a/k or a set, im playing it strong with somewhat of a net even if im wrong. on the flop that is.
now that were in a multiway pot on the turn…i think we just check and hope it gets checked around or a small bet lets us draw for cheap. we’re hoping they dont have the nuts and are scared we’re slow playing it. if theres a lot of action, we wont have the odds and have to drop it. at that point we can be pretty certain someone is protecting 2 pair, set, possibly a/q after the brick on the turn.
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I think I agree with CityBorn here…a raise on the flop seems like the optimal play in this situation. Instead of continuing to put dead money in the pot on the turn and river why not be the aggressor on the flop and find out what hands are out against you in this hand. It seems likely we could get a decent player off of AQ on that board…and if he has AK or a set then we’re gonna find out now instead of putting in possibly another ~2K worth of dead money on the turn + river.
As played I think you have to try to see it through as cheap as possible, but I would regret putting myself in this situation since I have to fold this hand to any legit river bet if I don’t make my draw.
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AQ aint betting the turn, we get shown ak or set here often, best case scenario he has our hand or a flush draw and pair
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Really hard to believe anyone is suggesting c/r’ing flop. We have 3 psb’s in our stack. A c/r cost us the same or more than a c/c on the turn or river without the benefit of show down when we are forced to fold.
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thinking about it more id fold the flop
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The initial raiser’s small c’bet on a scary as hell flop looks weak and the cutoff’s call is for me a draw (+potential weaker pair than ours) as AQ or better would raise in this spot with a player behind. A check raise could be a very effective squeeze play with outs if called.
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@Richard
Why in the world would AQ raise this cbet into a 3 player pot? Why would you ever narrow an opponents range to a draw or hands that you beat? There are a lot of other hands in their range beside hands that we beat, like QJ, QT, JT, AK, TT, JJ, QQ & AQ all of which may play this flop a bit slower due to the ep raiser, knowing that their value does not come from slamming chips in when they could very well be behind with their 2 pair, set or top pair type holding. Also these outs you are talking about, may very well be to a chop.
There are a lot better places to get chips than in spots like this. If you want to get value in these type spots then you don’t blindly bull rush your opponents with marginal holdings, you play small ball. We really only have a bluff catcher hand.
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