Daily Hand Quiz

You’re either being tested by a hand that can’t call a shove or trapped by a hand that can. Against most trapping hands (two pair or better) you have about 30% equity, so if the SB folds about a third of the time, you’ll show a profit by raising here. You do even better if you think that the SB might occasionally call with a single pair or a weaker draw.

You’re not getting a terrible price to call, and you do have position, but you’ll likely have to improve to win as you won’t have much, if any, maneuvering room on the turn.

I think you’re fine to shove here; a call is the lower variance play and can’t be all that bad either.

What actually happened: You shoved and were called by the SB, who showed 66. You failed to improve and lost the hand.

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The only thing you actually really have is a nut flush draw, why not just call the initial bet of $80 on the flop and see if you improve on the turn?

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I’d just call the $80, why get so invested when all you have is ace high? I dont wanna play for stacks until I hit my flush and this way I risk being raised off it.

As played call and prob fold if he bets huge and turn bricks

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I like our flop line, we could be making that with the flush draw or a medium strength king. We now have the odds and position to just call and we also have a big enough hand (assuming SB didn’t flop a set) to shove but I’d rather not put my stack on the line in this position 100bbs deep. This seems an easy call to catch one of 9 clean outs plus opp may not fire again on the turn (possible if his 3rd raise was a test with a hand like KQ) so could get a free card.

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I agree with the above comments about the flop play. I generally dislike raising with a hand where I’d dislike being reraised.
Hero is getting the right implied odds I think to make the call +EV, so by raising the flop Hero invested $515 more than needed. I’d preferre to control the pot size till get a real hand.

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With stacks that deep the shove/call argument’s kinda tricky here. I personally lean toward calling to keep the pot small with our small hand here. I like our flop raise. Also we are in position. If we call his re-raise on that flop he may put us on a King after the turn comes blank. He could have been raising any number of hands pre-flop since we’re four-handed, so a King isn’t really making us tremble. That flop is prob scarier for him than us when we call. One drawback to just calling is that we probably lose equity when we hit our flush. His butt would definitely clench when the club hit the turn.

The benefits to shoving are that he’ll usually have to just fold. Even AK or K6 will have something to think about. The guy hit 666 on us in this spot though, which is un-foldable here.

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Metagame considerations has me taking a similar line to the staff. I really don’t like calling as much as shoving as it is possible that you do not get paid when the flush card arrives. I have to believe that both plays have a positive expectation in the long run (obv. depending on our opponent), but if you consider metagame, then I really like the shove option better.

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i like the flop raise for two reasons. 1: we could take it down right here if hes c-betting with air. 2: we disguise our draw setting up a much bigger payday if the hand plays on and the flush hits. 3: we can take psychological control of the hand if hes weak

as far as the what to do with the reraise…. i go with a call. i think a call is more ambiguous….tougher for him to read. i could play virtually any hand that way from a set to a pair to a draw, and it will force him to play the turn in a more straightforward manner, betting the strength of his hand. reevaluate the turn based on his action and whether the club hit.

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Voted call. The size of the 3-bet indicates strength, as the hero is getting ~3-1 to call. Can’t fold this hand, and a r-r commits a hand that is behind. Call, hope to make your flush, and beware of the board pairing. Looking at 8 (elim the K) clean outs.

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A call or a re-raise here essentially commits all your chips if you want to show down. From his betting, I’m giving him credit for a good hand, probably a set. That means you’re slightly less than 25% to win the hand, which means you greater than 3-1 to keep playing. You aren’t getting it, so fold.

Oh, and I hate the way this was played in the first place. Way too many people these days put too much value into their drawing hands. The semi-bluff has become almost a standard play for so many players, it’s losing its effectiveness. Now, if I’m raised by some no name post-flop with two suited cards on the board, I’m almost certain it’s a flush draw.

I like a small-ball approach to poker, which means I would have either called or folded on the flop bet. Small-ball has the advantage of not losing very much when you get a nasty surprise. Of course, you don’t jump out to a big early lead; but hey, no first day leader has ever won the WSOP.

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This is cash poker, small ball doesn’t work (see Negreanu in HSP 5). If you even contemplate folding to the c bet with the nut flush (and obv overcard) then this ain’t your game.

We don’t have the expressed odds to call with just the flush draw getting only 2.7 to 1 but if we factor in that the ace could be an out (i.e being tested by a stubborn K – I wouldn’t normally play a set that fast) and factor in the fact that we are likely to get some implied odds even when the flush hits, plus we have position and a call has the potential to look super strong (like CityBorn states) so could get to see two cards for the price of two = easy call.

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id just call the 80

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I voted call because we have no strong reads. I am hardly ever putting an unknown villain on a hand that can fold to a shove after this much aggression. I also think because the line we took was fairly aggressive we would easily rep a hand like KQ that didn’t want to fold and get value if we hit on the turn. If we don’t hit the turn we can just much. If we do hit, and he bets the turn, we call, giving him the opportunity to shove the turn if he does believe we have a KQish type hand, and if he checks the turn when we hit, we can also check, and hopefully make it look like we want to see the showdown cheap and motivate him to bet out the river. If he still doesn’t bet, than I would put in a fairly big bet on the river hoping to rep the KQ trying to get value or a bluff, and having him call/shove over top of us.

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“Can’t fold this hand”????? Where do you play your cash games, because I want in!

Rhycar has got the right idea, but this isn’t a “small ball” play. Which, by the way, Doyle Brunson would say is absolutely correct in a cash game. Anyway, this is a nut draw, which is a different context.

The mistake here is semi-bluffing an obvious flop AND doing so into strength. Remember, the semi-bluff and the all-in shove in this situation only have positive equity if the opponent is going to fold. Let’s look at what your opponent has done so far:
1) Raise
2) Bet
3) Raise
You are either playing one hell of a maniac bluffer or your 1/3 (approximate) chance to win is no good here. Only a very bad cash game player would bet like this with AK or KQs.

And wait! You’re only getting 2.5-1 on the original bet (a perfect bet by your opponent who is clearly smarter than you) and your A could be no good as an over (due to AK). Way to many people are losing cash in this situation. Get out.

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Upon reflection, a decisive call.

Unlike 9 handed games where everyone has, 4 handed all kings play often with a raise in blind versus blind. Our TAG image with just a call preflop essientially told him we probably don’t have a strong A or a strong K. When we reraised the flop, we said, “I have 2 pair, I think you have a king, and now I am trying to get your stack”. He stopped, thought, then said, “I know your an aggressive player, so if you had a strong K, you would have reraised 4 handed preflop. So AK and KQ are out. You might have KJ, are you going to call a third raise on a relatively dry flop from a preflop aggressor?

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“I got AA and I be pimping your Kx all day long.”

AA would play exactly this way as would a low set that put you on a draw. Top set, taking up most of the cards you are likely to put money in with, may or may not reraise here, in most cases doing so.

He could also be flushing with Kc Xc.

He could make this move with any king as if you had 64 in the BB you most likely would have folded (tight player), if you small pocket pair you would have reraised preflop (Aggressive), if you had a KQ or AK you would have reraised preflop (Aggressive). So that leaves your range broadway to AA and since there’s 1 king on the board and 1 in his hand, you also having a king is unlikely but very possible. By this point, if he has KJ, he can say, “If he didn’t flop 2 pair with K4 or K6, I have him beat or tied. And there are so many more hands he could be bluffing with and other kings he can have, K2 to KJ, that I am going to get his whole stack involved. Hell, I’ll even raise to exactly 1/3 his stack, make that 3 bet easier for him.”

For our actual hand, our investment to implied odds at this point are horrible and because of the size of the pot, an all-in will likely happen before we see the river unless the action gets frozen. we will not see a river without an allin in this hand.

With no implied odds, we need 21% to make this call we have 7 to 9 outs plus 4 possible outs.
9 outs (our club outs) would give up 19.1%
7 outs (if he had KQs) would give us 14.8% chance of hiting.
However, if we hit a club, and he has Kc Qc, the implied odds with pot/stack ratio guarantee his stack.

With implied odds, this promises a nice profit.

So we only need another midgem of pot from implied odds. I think if a club comes we will average better than 10%, more like 100% the pot.

If he is bluffing and you call here, he may check-fold the turn, but I sincerely doubt it so if you hit there is major implied odds profit there as well.

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Looked at staff, lol raise is insane. You have no fold equity versus anything but a bluff, try to pick off bluffs when you actually have a read.

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