
Game type: 3/6 No Limit cash full ring, PokerStars
Your hand: J♦J♣
The setup: You’re a few dozen hands into this session when the following hand comes up. You get JJ in the small blind. An EP player limps, and a solid regular isolates with a $30 raise. The button, a very loose player who appears to be on a bit of a tilt-bluff rampage and who seems to prefer small bets and raises, minimum 3 bets to $54 total.
The hand right before this one, you picked off a 3 street bluff from the button for a pretty large pot.
It’s your action. What’s your play with jacks?
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While it’s tempting to fear the remaining action behind, I think you really have a lot of value in isoing the button. Jacks are likely killing his range, and he’ll probably get the money in much worse, especially against you. Putting in the fourth raise should look very strong to the other players, especially combined with the button’s raise, so if you get a fifth raise put in behind, you can safely (albeit sadly) pitch your JJ. I make it about 140 to go and chuck to a re-raise from the limper or original raiser.
What actually happened: You called and the limper folded. The first raiser called and the flop came rainbow all unders. You led for about half pot and Player D folded. The button called and the turn brought another under. You set the button all in and he folded.
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Too much guessing game in this spot. I’d go to war with QQ+ but I fold those tempting jacks
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We obv don’t have the odds to set mine against the button and in a 3bet pot jacks are very ugly to 4bet OOP unless we’re happy to 4bet fold and have the table not respect any of our future raises. The original iso-raiser has something so assuming a 4bet to say 250 (140 does not have enough FE IMO) will commit us then we are flipping at best for between 60-100% of our stack pre flop or following through on the flop no matter what cards come down. Call me tight but unless this table was super agro this is an easy fold for me with only 1bb committed.
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Wow….nice quiz!
So much to consider. I have to go with Richard P’s assessment that 140 won’t get much of anything to fold. So, if you are going to play/fold anyway, why not just call. I played the hand exactly that way – called thinking that if limper or first raiser goes nuts, I’m likely folding.
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Yikes…left a bunch of thoughts out.
1. Set mining. I am set mining against 3 players, not one….lots of equity.
2. I’m out of position, so I don’t want to build a big pot preflop without QQ+
3. If even one over falls, I’m done. A paired board (under card) would put me into pot size control.
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Raise. Calling gets us into a tricky pot against an unpredictable aggressive player and most likely another player who’s shown strength, playing out of position. We need to define some ranges. Also, I agree with staff the 4 bet looks very strong and is likely to fold out all but the top few hands from the limper and original raiser, isolating the button who we are happy to play with.
Folding is understandable, especially in an ordinary situation, but here, we have a 3 better who we’ve already seen get picked off in exactly this kind of situation. We have the type of hand ready made for picking it off again, and there is liekly a fair amount of dead money in the pot. Youre always risking your chips when you play poker, but you have to make the moves when the signs are there…..and this is one of those times.
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I too voted raise. JJ is not a hand you’d want to play multiway OOP, unless you do hit your set of course. I agree with staff – there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of strength out there at the moment, but if there is we will find out and can safely let our jacks go. Calling creates a very awkward situation either way – if overs fall we’re obviously in a bad shape and even if the flop comes all unders, we would rather have defined our hand against possible overpairs (such as first raiser might have) PF or pushed out medium connector type hands (such as are likely to be in the distribution of limper and button).
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Raisy daisy. You’ve got the stack. Use it for what it is for. Forcing people to have a hand. Raise also negates your bad table position and gives you the info you need. Raise and see what they do.
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There are only three ways to play jacks (call, raise or fold) and they are all wrong.
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While not usually a fan of the flat call, I think it makes sense in this case. I’d like to see a flop – looking for unders or the jackpot trips. I figure C will fold and D will call, so plenty of $$ in the pot to justify. If D raises, I’m okay folding. If overs come on the flop and I probably fold to any decent bet.
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*agrees with American Rounders*
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This might be the best quiz on the site. I think a raise is correct EXCEPT you appear to your opponents to be steaming. They will suspect your 4 bet does not mean QQ-AA (4 bet = AA from a tight, not a tilting, player) and give you hell on a paint flop.
I would flat call, fold to overs and bet into unders.
Then again, the raise might be correct.
Then again, jacks are trouble. Fold them.
I would have to be there and get a solid read.
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