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Game type: $100 One rebuy, one addon, 6 max
Stage of tourney: Middle stages
Your image: Aggressive
Opponent’s image: Weak
Your hand: A♣Q♣
The setup: You’ve been very aggressive in this 6 max tournament and have a solid stack to show for it. Your opponent has been playing a pretty weak game, making lots of small raises and surrendering when pressured. This hand he raises to 3x and you decide to 3 bet with AQ. The table folds and your opponent thinks for a bit and then flats. The flop comes:
6♥7♦6♦
Your opponent tanks and then shoves all in for a little under 3k. The pot is right about 7700. What’s your play?
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Very few players with this stack and this image will flat JJ – KK in this spot. Some might do it with aces some of the time, but generally this flat is legitimately weak and made with a hand that wants to see a flop, like KQs, AJs, 99, AQ, etc.
So, you’re getting 2.5-1. How is AQc doing against that sort of range with two cards to come? I set the range at AA,TT-55,AQs-AJs,KJs+,AQo+. I include AA just to compensate for the fact that a weak player is a little more likely to be shoving with a pair here than with missed overcards. Against that range you’re a 2-1 dog and you certainly have the chips to spare, so I don’t mind a call.
Given the uncertainty about your opponent, a fold probably isn’t terrible, but calling and winning will give you a monster stack at this point, while calling and losing still leaves you having the table comfortably covered.
What actually happened: You called and your opponent showed AQ. You split the pot.
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I’d probably have put him all in pre flopto be honest but having got to this situation its hard to say exactley what I’d do. I’m calling about half the time and folding about half the time.
Putting villian on a hand like AJ, AQ or 55/88. Think anything better shoves over your raise pre flop and a 6 or 77 seem more unlikely
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A shove in this spot is rarely a strong hand. I put him on a flush draw or a straight draw, at most a small pair. With those odds I have to call
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Opp started the hand with an effective M of 6 and calls a 3 bet for a quarter of his remaining stack. That smacks a middle pair such as 99 looking for unders to then shove rather than AK – AJ. I think we are currently beat. We need a 28% hand to call which we don’t have if he does have the overpair. It’s close but I think I give him this one. As he’s weak there will be better opportunities not to have to gamble. If this was near the end of the tourny I would call to knock him out with the big stack.
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i think hes got two overs, and not AK so i call. even if he has an over pair to the board, which is the best i could put him on, its not going to be QQ-AA. i have to think with his stack, he would have shoved ak or qq-aa preflop…which means i have close to the right odds against even the top of his range, and im ahead of the bulk of it. plus my stack can take the hit without getting hurt too bad even if i lose.
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I voted fold. I’m with Richard P – think we are behind, so I’d need at least 3-1 to call. I put him on 44, 55, 88.
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call 99.994% of the time
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Good to see someone else advocating the fold, even if it is only 0.006% of the time.
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I call and expect to be shown mid-to-weak ace or a small pair with a few broadway hands in the mix.
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I would fold. I think theres too much of a chance my opponent has a pair, TT or smaller. The only hands I would beat would be AJ and KJ and obviously a split with AQ. And if the description of my opponent as weak is correct, I wouldnt necessarily expect him to push with overcards on the flop (I was obviously wrong in this case though…). In other words, I would opt for protecting my stack and looking for spots where I can be the bettor instead of calling in such a marginal spot.
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This hand reeks of jacks or tens.
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I, too, think we are behind more often than not, but the implication on table image (and the not-so-terrible odds vs any pair) can push me towards calling.
Staff comment about us still covering the table nicely even if we lose is a bit optimistic for my taste. We actually would create a much more balanced table if we lose, since the stacks would look like:
11.0k
10.6k
7.6k
6.2k
4.4k
3.0k
In this case even the 2nd shortest stack can hurt us pretty bad if there is a hardly contested pot.
If we folded, it would leave:
14.0k
7.7k
7.6k
6.2k
4.4k
3.0k
Here, we still look like a strong chipleader.
So, to me this is essentially about the table image. If we fold this, we might meet harder resistance in future.
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Why take the risk to call with Ace high and without the master diamond in our hand? I would much rather let it go here expecting a much better spot coming down the road to get my money in with…especially if I were STAKED, I would take well care not to piss away my investors’ money.
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i would fold as i would put him on trip sixes, or if he does have a small pair its much harder for me to hit an ace or a queen at this point, or theres the flush possabilaty, the odds seem to be weighed against me so i would defo fold its not worth loisng the chips on a loose call like this, i would need to be getting 7to 1 pot odds or more to call this but as it stands im getting 3 to 1
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I like this quiz because it is certainly a borderline situation.
It is unlikely that this player has AA, KK, QQ so I will essentially be assigning those hands zero weight. I am wrong often but you have to make some assumptions when doing an analysis.
If I am going to put him on a specific hand it is TT. If this is the extent of my analyis then I have to call at 24%.
If I do the full analysis with the complete range of hands and making some adjustments for the likelyhood of each hand that deserves extra weight, then I likely still have to call but just barely because the worst case scenerio is one of the most likely.
The worst case scenario is that I am up against A7 suited in which case I am about 12% and a fold would be better. This is a real possibility unfortunately and seems much more likely than AJ or AT (which is what I am hoping).
When faced with a borderline situation, I actually prefer to call so that I send a message and create the table image that I want. I call this “value added poker” which is rarely mentioned in any of the books that I read. They often talk about table image but not about setting and manipulating your table image for future hands.
Personally, I consider the number of chips I have in my stack only slightly relevant in this particular situation and don’t put much thought into the after affects on my chip count (win or lose).
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