Daily Hand Quiz

First thing: I don’t think you’re ever getting a fold if you shove here. This is a very strong player, and there’s little chance they’re committing this much to the pot if they’re not planning to call. If you shove here, you’ll be giving them about 2.5-1 to call, and there’s really not many hands they’re going to three bet with and then not call the extra 100k.

With that in mind, I actually like a stop and go here (calling and shoving the flop). The basic trade off is that you sometimes lose action from some hands on the flop that you’re pretty far ahead of, but you shut down some overcard hands that have six outs twice to beat you. I think there are more of the latter in the BBs range than the former, so this feels like a reasonable play.

Even if it was a slightly losing play, it would still be worth it because of the times you save your tournament life.

You do have to commit to shoving every flop, no matter how ugly it appears, which will sometimes result in some really stupid looking flop plays, but that’s just part of the stop and go.

What actually happened: You shoved and were called by AQ. The river brought a Q and you lost the hand.

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I voted shove, but after thinking, i may just call and shove any flop , just because he may fold on the flop if he didn’t connect, or maybe because i want to represent a bigger pair than i have, i think this play is better than shoving in the long run, we all know he’s not gonna fold here with that huge raise.

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I voted raise (shove). We started the hand with an effective M of 7 and we have jacks – I’m going nowhere and as the short stack am prepared to race. As a side note do people think that the top online player would 3 bet in that position with an underpair to ours? If so then maybe he would fold to a 4 bet? In any case I’m not sure about the stop and go. Surely we are hoping for unders, but if opp has overpair then same outcome as pre flop shove. If there are overs, say an ace and a king / queen then I don’t think I could put the rest of my chips in.

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Isn’t it a bit fancy-play sundrome to wait and shove on a potentially nasty flop? Seems pretty based on “what actuallt happened”.

I just jam here. I dont see the point of letting him hit the flop and pay him anyway. We opened i SB, and we have the 4th best hand which villain would not suspect us to. Our stack is not too big, so it is not unreasonable to gamble on JJ here. Furthermore we have the shortest stack at the table, so we can’t wait anyone out.

Sure we are going to be called almost every time, but we are doing well even against his calling range, which I think includes 88-TT, perhaps AJ besides those hands we are not too crazy about seeing.

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I voted for call and shove on the flop, but I’d re-think the whole thing if an ace flopped. If the villain has an overpair then you’re sunk no matter what you do, but since AT+ is such a huge part of his range I would not like a flopped ace so much. With an ace on the board there’s nothing you can beat and all you can hope for is to force him to fold an overpair.

No ace, I shove.

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i dont see how a stop n go play is effective when hes going to call any bet on the flop. i think you just push cuz youre not folding your jacks…

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With queens to aces I’d go for the stop and go, but with jacks I don’t want to let him catch an overcard on the flop. I shove.

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Let’s review. We’re down to the blinds. A top player, with position and a huge chip lead, comes back over the top. You have a tight reputation.

All that information tells me he’s more likely than usual to be attempting a steal. Yes, he put in enough so he has to call your re-shove, but that still doesn’t eliminate the steal possibility. In fact, you could argue a top player would put in that raise so you would see that he’s definitely planning to call your shove (more incentive for you to fold a middling hand).

I would estimate he’s trying to steal here more times that usual. It’s good BSB play. In my mind, the right answer is to get it all in now and hope for the best. In this case, the best didn’t come, but (WARNING: cliche approaching) that’s poker.

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I voted for Stop and Go based on the fact, that the most likely hand villain has is AJ-AK, maaaybe AT. And against those hands flop shove is the only way to have a chance of inducing a fold. With pot of 150k, shove of 148k and villain’s stack of 430k I think it is far from auto-call as teddy argues.

If villain has overpair our play doesn’t matter. If villain has underpair, I don’t mind leaving myself with 300k as opposed to 450k at this table and avoid getting beaten by set on turn/river.

A little extra push towards Stop and Go was because of so many situations in personal experience, where that would have been the better play as opposed to shoving preflop.

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I forgot to add, that I assume the range so strong mostly on the fact, that with such a dominant chiplead villain really has little incentive to tangle up against the shortstack with crap.

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I agree with staff. Perfect set up for stop and go. You have a good chance not to see overs on the flop and a shove on an all under flop may induce a fold. I take a flop and go from there. We are also on the button next and will have 14 blinds if we decide to check fold a flop with an ace or overs. Enough blinds to put some pressure to not double us up when we shove sometime on the next orbit. Call me crazy.

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either way, you will be going all-in. therefore, whichever play you make, it has no effect on who will win by the river. the difference is, if you go all-in preflop, your opponent has 5 cards to try to knock you out. with a stop and go play, he basically only has three, because if he doesn’t hit on any of those, he will likely fold to your all-in raise. therefore, the stop and go play seems to be the more profitable play.

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Stop N Go is the right play because if we’re already behind preflop then shoving was a losing move to begin with. If we are up against AK or suited AQ our villian folding post flop is much more of an option. As an example, both those hands missed the flop completely and might have folded to our shove.
If we miss the flop to an a broadway board we can still get away for fight again. Shoving is just wrong.

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didn t see the stack before voting,
then iam ALL IN !! JJ’Js

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You just have 1/2 pot left if you call. If you shove on the flop he might even call with his overcards.

Shove preflop

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