Tourney / NL

Tens facing a four bet, deep in the Super Tuesday

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: $1k freezeout on PokerStars
Stage of tourney: Two tables remain
Your image: Fairly tight
Opponent’s image: Aggressive, solid winner
Your hand: T♣T♦

The setup: You’re deep in the PokerStars Super Tuesday $1,000 buy in tournament. 15 players remain when the following hand comes up.

You’re dealt tens in the BB. Two players fold and the next player raises to a bit under 3x. The table folds around to you and you three bet to a little over 3x his raise. The original raiser thinks a bit and then pushes all in.

What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff
11.20.08 / 11pm

Our answer today comes from loonbat, who played the actual hand in the Super Tuesday…

“Villain wasn’t overly aggressive but had opened twice and folded to a reraise twice in the last 2 orbits. My image was very tight and I expected that a reraise would get a good number of hands I was racing against to fold.

When he 4-bet shoved, while certain hands I was racing against were possible (specifically Ak), it was doubtful he was shoving hands I was outright beating. TT should have been folded in hindsight, leaving me a very playable 29 BB stack.”

What actually happened: You called and opponent showed QQ. You failed to improve and lost the hand.

kaimano
11.21.08 / 12am

Early raiser that pushes after a reraise. Bad spot for tens. I fold and I’d fold even jacks and queens.

ROFL
11.21.08 / 1am

LOL @ folding QQ in this spot

kaimano
11.21.08 / 2am

LOL? Think about it, two tables remain, early raiser, solid winner, we reraise out of position and we have a tight image. He pushes. What do think he has? Certainly not tens or jacks. He has queens or better. I’m not pot committed so I fold my queens. In fact he thinks a bit before pushing with queens, because queens is the least he wants to push with.

Richard P
11.21.08 / 4am

Kaimano sums it up perfectly.

Sprancis
11.21.08 / 5am

For most part I agree with kaimano, except I think villain still pushes JJ because:

1) he has a playable stack even if he loses

2) he has folded to a re-raise twice lately and a third time really hurts his image (plus he might broaden our range because of that fact)

3) there is additional benefit of knocking out a player, although not significant.

_CityBorn_
11.21.08 / 7am

Yeah…have to fold. At best youre hoping for a race with AK…otherwise youre crushed. I just cant see him pushing here in position against a tight 3 better with 99 or less.

DWilliams
11.21.08 / 8am

with that stack, you can’t 3-bet and then fold to a 4-bet although you are probably racing at best, this is call as played…..

Richard P
11.21.08 / 9am

We can’t 3 bet with an M of 16 and then fold to a 2.5x pot shove putting us all in and leaving us with an M of 12?

MNOWAX
11.21.08 / 11am

this was not a really good play in general,maybe call the original raise, but seriously, y would anyone call for your life with 10s? you are every much likely crushed. and i am a risky player to say the least and i would fold this to a four bet shove.

tjs545
11.21.08 / 12pm

We have a plenty of chips to wait for a better spot, and the opponent has to be strong to 4 bet against a tight opponent.

The old saying is don’t go broke preflop with a Q in your hand… why would you want to go broke with 10s. I’d be upset about having to fold but with 10s in this spot you have to. And I agree with Kaimano, I definitely fold Js and probably Qs in this spot.

Rhycar
11.21.08 / 12pm

Honestly, I would have called before I saw the extra info from loonbat. He’s folded to reraises before, but not this time. He’s got us crushed. Fold, and wonderful analysis by kaimano. I too would fold up to QQ in this spot (but obviously not KK).

Action Brett
11.21.08 / 2pm

Considering our stack size and the proximity of the final table, calling the original raise is probably the play i would have made, but what happens when the board comes all unders? how much more will I lose? Hitting the set here is the implied odds play. One of the main reasons you raise and reraise in poker is to gather information. based on your opponent’s table image, your reraise gave you just enough information to make the laydown. He’s a smart, winning player, who has no reason to put more than half his stack at risk here without AK+.

Sparklepants
11.21.08 / 2pm

Based on the time he took to consider his action, I assumed he had jacks or queens. Definite fold, since your stack isn’t hurt as badly as it could be, and it’s doubtful he’d have pushed with just overcards. Fold and be grateful that he didn’t wait till after the flop to push, when you might have been in big trouble.

AddictiveBehavior
11.21.08 / 7pm

Just starting to pick up the hand to hand strategy and I gotta say this quiz is pretty helpful. Good stuff guys.

teddy
11.22.08 / 11am

agreed. the old me wouldve made this call immediately putting him on AK only. very nice input.

vpts65
11.22.08 / 3pm

MNOWAX said it, why even be there to make that decision?

lol
12.23.08 / 2am

lol @ 3 betfolding TT here. Keep your 3bet folds to hands you cannot profitably flat with from the BB. I call all day…

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