
Game type: $100 1 rebuy 1 add on, Full Tilt Poker
Stage of tourney: Nearing bubble
Your image: Fairly tight
Opponent’s image: Aggressive
Your hand: 8♣8♥
The setup: You’ve got a healthy, but still vulnerable stack in this $100 one rebuy one add on tournament that’s nearing the bubble. You’re dealt 88 in the BB.
UTG folds and UTG+1 makes it 3x to go. The table folds to the SB, who jams for about 3k more.
The original raiser has been opening over 15% of his hands in the first two seats over a sample of a few hundred tournament hands. You don’t have anything on the SB.
What’s your play?
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I think that the SB has actually done you a solid here. Let’s take a second to think about their range. It’s probably pretty wide, and even wider if they’ve been noticing the aggressiveness of the first raiser. Against a typical range, you’re about a flip.
So, you’re getting the right price for sure against the SB. What about UTG+1? If you raise him here, it has to get more respect than the typical three bet due to the presence of the SB (ok, it’s a four bet technically, but functionally it’s a three bet vs UTG+1). Not only that, the chips added by the SB make the prospect of a race against the UTG+1 raiser more appealing. Finally, this guy has a wide-open range here and is probably folding a ton – and the extra chips from the SB provide a nice cushion for the times he doesn’t. I think this is a solid spot for a re-raise.
What actually happened: You folded. UTG1 called, showing 66. The SB showed A9s; sixes won the pot.
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Based on the villains image and our image, our all-in will but us on a pretty strong randge (TT+, AQs+).
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raise and push the UTG+1 off the hand. The dead money is very appealing.
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A short stack shove after an opening raise isn’t going to be trash. To play we will be flipping 3 ways here and a 4 bet would have to be an all in as a call makes the pot bigger than our remaining stack. I don’t want to put my tourny life on the line in a contested pot with a mid pair when i have an M of 15 and the opening raiser only needing a 36% hand to call my shove. It’s unlikely he would but this could be the time he has the goods.
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I agree with Richard. To me its a clear fold. Cant call, because would be playing a big pot out of position. Raise would have to be all-in, which original raiser would have to call with a lot of hands. Survival is the key word here, avoid spots where you would be flipping for your tournament, especially since even the aggressive players may sometimes have a hand.
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Since it is near the bubble, I cant see UTG + 1 raising after the flop unless he has a monster hand, so a call planning on checkin to the river doesnt sound that bad.
The re-raise might isolate the SB which is not a bad play too, yet I’d rather fold than raise.
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I voted fold but a squeeze play was in the back of my mind. If not close to the bubble I would have re-raised.
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This to me is a clear fold. Granted, I play a much tighter style than most internet players, but my basic logic goes like this: “If there is a raise and a re-raise in front of me, I need an immensely strong hand to play”.
Now I know your range has to be tailored to each situation, and I know that this situation is more friendly than most. Still, even with a loose raiser, I’d want something like AQ+ or TT+ to get involved. I’m folding and waiting for a better situation.
@ Kate, this is not a squeeze play situation. A squeeze play arises with an early raise and a call, then you put in a raise. The initial raiser is squeezed between you and the other caller. If it works, he folds because he doesn’t know what the guy behind will do, and the guy behind folds because he was calling the raiser loose. Here, SB is all-in, so there is no squeeze.
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I voted call, I thought, probably ahead pre-flop, but then again, this is probably why my online poker account is suffering at the moment.
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This seems like a clear fold to me.
A nit I migth be.
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Seems like a pretty easy fold. You’ve got plenty of chips, and if nothing else, you know that UTG+1 is calling so you’re going to get some information about what he is raising with in those early positions.
With a raise and reraise all in I would suspect that someone has a decent hand, and I don’t like the mid pair. If you reraise to get UTG+1 out of the hand, and SB has the goods, the extra money is meaningless as there isn’t a side pot yet. If you reraise and UTG+1 calls, you’re usually dead as I don’t think an inferior hand would call your reraise.
Fold and learn something about the guy two to your left for the mere price of the BB, and hope to use that information later.
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Sure the dead money looks appealing at first glance. There’s just one problem: WE ARE BEAT. Best case scenario they have AK and we are flipping coins for our tournament life just out of the money.
This would be a good spot to flip coins AFTER the bubble, not before it. Play tournaments to make an income, not to gamble for entertainment.
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That’s an easy fold. Too much to call with middle pair. It was iffy with the original raise and a definite fold with the re-raise. It becomes a maybe with 9′s and a call with 10′s…
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Shove > Fold > Call. This is the second question recently involving how to deal with a loose raiser. It’s not too much to ask in a $100 buy in event that the short stacks know who’s raising loose, so it’s rational to put the short stack on a wide range of hands. Sure 66 is at the bottom of his range, but if you think AK is the only broadway hand he’s playing here you’re way off. And if you think someone who raises 15% of the time up front always has AK you’re way off. Flipping coins with good odds is exactly the type of gambling you have to do when your M is around 10.
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id prob raise almost all in and save 100 chips if i dont flop 2 8s im folding
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