
Game type: $75 freezeout on Full Tilt
Stage of tourney: Early
Your image: Aggressive
Your hand: J♠J♣
The setup: You’ve had an unusually active table in the $75 freezeout and there have been a number of big pots, creating a group of deeper stacks that you don’t often see at this stage of the tournament. This hand you get JJ in MP and you limp. The table folds to the small blind and they call. The BB checks. You flop opened ended:
T♥9♥Q♠
When both blinds check, you bet 100. Both call and you make your straight on the turn:
8♣
The SB checks and the BB bets 50, the minimum. You raise to 400. The SB now check raises to 750 and the BB quickly calls.
What’s your play?
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In a worst case scenario, you’re drawing dead to a chop here. In a more likely scenario, you’re up against another jack and a set or flush draw. In that case, you’ll lose on the river about 30% of the time, and the remaining percentage of the time you’ll chop the pot. Oh, and sometimes the other jack will be freerolling on you, which doesn’t change the hand dramatically but is annoying nonetheless.
You’re getting almost 6-1 right now but are likely going to have to call another bet on the river. If you include that bet (let’s call it 1500) in your odds calculations, this is a far less appealing call. You have a good stack and you’re never winning this pot outright. I say you can fold.
What actually happened: You called and the river brought the Kc. The SB led for about 1k and both you and the BB called. The SB showed AJh to win the hand.
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There also has to be some chance an opponent is over-ended – holding K-J, in which case you’re 3 outs to a chop, so I don’t quite agree with the worst case scenario.
I voted call, but wasn’t happy about it.
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You can’t get away just yet. Call and hope not to see a face or heart on river.
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I don’t like calling here. The only player really showing strength is the SB, and with his stack compared to pot-size if you call, I can’t see how you can get away on river. So if you want to play, it is because you believe you will split with him. And in that case I see no reason to give BB a cheap river card, as he looks like he is drawing.
I guess the good safe option would be to just fold. You have a healthy stack, and you are not going to take down the entire pot anyway.
I am a bit tired this morning though, so I voted raise. I can’t see the players check calling KJ on flop to play 3-ways out of position when there is flushdraw, split-straigh draws and possible two pairs making full house out there. If there are any of them on whom I am wrong, it is most likely SB, as he shows the most strength. But his stack is way smaller than yours, and will not take you out.
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Voted raise. Early stage-idiot with a pair and a flush draw is a possibility and I can’t see J-K there. BB maybe flopped smaller straight or plays with a set..
“You have a healthy stack, and you are not going to take down the entire pot anyway.”
I agree to some point with this, but still I think folding is pretty weak play here.
Raisy-daisy
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1. Shove
2. ?????
3. Profit
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Good to hear from the Underpants Gnomes, Landorf (if you don’t get it, look it up).
Folding in this situation is safe because you haven’t invested much. Of course, you haven’t invested much because you didn’t raise with your pocket jacks pre-flop, but that’s fine if you’re just mixing up your play.
If I were up against just one opponent here, I would definitely called. Against two though, there’s bound to be at least a flush draw and two-pair/set to go along with the obvious straight. You’ve invested very little, so folding is not a bad move.
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@bobbob
“BB maybe flopped smaller straigth or plays with a set”
Seriously? You think he would check-call with a straigth or a set on a super-drawheavy flop, to play it 3-ways through several streets?
I cant see any of the villains play like that on flop with a strong made hand. That is also why I cant see any of the opponents holding KJ, and hence I like to raise my face up straigh in this case. If it was not for this reason I migth fold here, as the 3-betting turn 3-ways in a tour is serious business from SB. He has at least the jack. Question is whether BB is on a flushdraw with his weak CC flop and small “blockerbet” on turn. In that case better price him out.
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I’m fairly confident that the BB has either 2 pair or a flush draw. I think since the SB and BB just called preflop, medium-large pocket pair combinations are at 20% of their regular frequency, so the set is unlikely. This makes 2 pair and flush draw along the more likely of the BB’s holdings. The SB called preflop versus a limp, check called the flop, then check re-raised a raise. He probably has a jack.
The SB played it how I would have played a straight from the flop from his position, so KJ is a possibility for him. Going on the assumption that one of them is on the flush draw, I would raise pot here to try to force the draw out.
Granted, this means my range for callers includes Jx, KJ, and for fish a little more, but it means that I won’t lose the pot to a heart if flush draw plus the value they’ll extract from my stack (1k+) 9/46 = 21% of the time.
Problem is I expect the SB to have the other jack, so he will be calling the bet, or raising me in with the KJ. I bet 3k here to push out the BB.
note: I would have been stacked.
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revised errr lost close to half my stack.
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