February 11, 2012

Daily Hand Quiz

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: 1/2 no limit cash on PokerStars
Your image: Fairly aggressive
Opponent’s image: TAG
Your hand: J♣J♦

This quiz is from our archives and originally appeared on May 5th. View the original quiz and comments.

The setup: Nothing’s really developed for you so far this session. You’ve been involved in a few pots, taking away some and being forced to walk away from some others when opponents pushed back. You’ve resolved to tighten up a bit when the following hand occurs. You get JJ in the BB. The table folds to the SB, who makes it 3x to go. You call. Flop:

Q♥5♣7♠

The SB leads for $10. Given your image, you decide to play it safe and just call. The turn brings the 8♣. The SB fires $22 into $32.

What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff


What we said then… Seems like it’s time to find out where you’re at in the hand. A safer turn might have allowed you to opt for a call down, but this one puts so many draws on board that you can’t risk letting your opponent name their own price for backing into some weird made hand.

Raising here not only gets you the information you need (I think a three-bet bluff is pretty unlikely from most opponents here), but it also lets you get value when you’re ahead and might allow you to get to a cheaper showdown when you’re behind. I think you can make it about $70 or so and plan to check the river if you’re called.

Folding probably isn’t terrible with only 8BBs invested in the hand, but the value you can get out of drawing hands tips this to a clear raise for me.

What actually happened: You called and the river brought the 6c. The SB fired $60 and you folded.

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kaimano


Unlucky river. I like the call. The SB isn’t going to fire again unless he has a very strong hand. He may check even top pair on the river.

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Richard P


Raise for value / protect hand as likely to be ahead. Only call if willing to call reasonable bet on river.

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Kris


First of, villain will most likely bet his full range more or less on the flop, it’s just such a great board for c-betting. He/she won’t be that intimidated by a call here. I would expect the player to fire a lot of turns unless he percieves us a more passive than normal, which he doesn’t given our image. Furthermore, we are expected to be calling a wide range here, since it’s BoB play. A-high, weakish draws, any pair etc. The turn bet tells us he has some sort of hand. This particular turn card gave incentive to a ton of hands to fire a seccond barrel. Stuff like T9, A6, 54, clubs etc etc.

I like a raise on the turn for two reasons atleast. We are sort of raising for value since we are in my oppinion still way ahead of his range. A raise to 55ish is a very strong play in this spot IMO. Not only do we charge the ton of draws out there, we also manipulate the pot size to leave him with a PSB on the river. If the player realizes this, we put the idea of playing his hand for stacks on the river in his mind. This will give us a lot of free showdowns on the river as supposed to just calling and having to make a tough decision on the river. We are ofcourse intending to fold if we get reraised.

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drhoho


I cant believe it was months since this test was up last. Feals like yesterday.

Bad preflop play, JJ should have been 3-bet.

Now we dont know where we are at, and often I would fold.

However, villains line of betting does not look like a queen, Why would he bet this low on a super drawheavy turn, when he made a huge bet on a dry flop? It looks like he picked up a draw, and in this case I like the raise. I dont know where the line between big and large raises is drawn, but as I say minimum 3x villains bet i voted raise large. Dont give him a good price on his draw.

Last time someone said that a clever villain will know that we are betting to find out where we are at, and shove here. However, the flatcall on flop and raise drawy turn can also look very strong imo, so I wouldnt worry about that.

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Mike


Should’ve re-raised pre-flop; river wouldn’t have happened.

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Rhycar


Agree with Mike and drhoho, the calls pre flop and post flop were absurd. One of those should have been a raise.

Might as well find out where you’re at in the hand here, so I like a raise. If you raise small, say just a min raise, you’re giving him 4-1 to stay in. Those are good odds; I would stay in with any flush draw or a straight draw with an overcard or pair. So the raise has to be big, maybe 3x or 4x the bet. I like a raise to about 70 or 75 here. Gives him less than 2-1, so his draws are unprofitable. If he calls, that bet might allow us to showdown free on the end as well. Raise large for the information you should have gotten more cheaply earlier in the hand.

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samo2


I voted call. As mentioned above, should have 3-bet pre-flop, but we can’t do over … so rather than raise on the turn I’d rather call now and save for a potential call on the riv. Villain may even check the riv, so I’d save a bet.

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Paul McGreevy


It depends. Some cash game players on $1/$2 games will be perceptive enough opponents who soon pick up on your habits to determine how to play against you. They will know straight away what your doing based on their previous experience of how you bet top pair, second pair etc. unless you know you disguise it by doing the same in either case (balancing your play).
You have to go with your read of the player here and decide if you think he’s solid or not and what his cbet tendencies are and either go with the hand or not.
Raising will be the least profitable option unless you are intending to get all in, you will have nearly 1/2 your stack in to find out where you are. You really should’ve found out preflop or on the flop
Calling is a reasonable option depending on your knowlege of his tendencies to give up on the turn when called on the flop. If you dont know the player calling is worth a try to see if he gives up. Otherwise just fold and look for a better spot until you can develop satisfactory reads to make these type of decisions

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Bobby Valentine


I would make a double bet here, so that he thinks I have hit a trip.

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moysian


I may be too late, but FOLD was my action Our hero should have re-raised SB’s initial bet; now he’s in deep trouble.

We have the villian out-stacked, and he’s out of position. Why doe he keep betting? If he doesn’t have us beat – he’s suicidal.

Three hands fit villian’s betting pattern, which we can still beat: 10-10, 9-9, AK(?).

There’s a lot of fitting hands you can’t beat: AA, KK, QQ, Qx, 88, 77, 55, two pair, and strait fillers (first raise could have been steal attempt with junk that hit the flop).

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Loki


What you should have done:
1) Pre-flop: Re-raise to defend. NEVER let somebody mess with your blinds, especially if you have JJ.
2) Flop: Raise for info.
3) Turn: If you have followed my advice to this point, fold. If you have done what our hero did, raise for info.
4) River: Nasty. Get out.

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