Tourney / NL

AK preflop facing two all ins, no limit tournament

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Game type: Poker Stars Sunday Million, $215 no limit tournament
Stage of tourney: 2nd hour
Opponent’s image: Aggressive
Your hand: A♣K♦

The setup: You’re in the second hour of the Sunday Million and you’ve been unable to build much of a stack. The blinds have started to creep up on everyone and the table has been a little more active.

This hand, UTG open shoves for 7500. Three players fold and the hijack basically calls all in. Then the CO shoves. The CO has been very active.

What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff
9.4.08 / 11am

This looks worse than it is. UTG can be shoving with a ton of hands. The hijack, who is also pretty short and aware of UTG’s range, is probably in there with 88+ and AJs+. The CO is forced to play a bit more face up, but is again likely aware of the range depression caused by UTG. Let’s say JJ+, AQs+.

You’re about 20% to win against those ranges. The effective pot is about 26k, so you’re getting about 3-1 on the call.

That’s a poor price, obviously. You are a little short, and it’s tempting to gamble for a triple up, but you can probably find a better spot with your stack and position.

Note that if UTG hadn’t pushed, this would probably be a very easy call, as you could expand the CO’s range significantly.

What actually happened: You folded. UTG showed QTs, the hijack showed AQo and the CO showed KK. KK held to win the hand.

Anonymous
9.5.08 / 1am

insta shove….why race with AK off against four ppl.

Anonymous
9.5.08 / 4am

If you pass here your going to be short stacked and able to last 8 orbits if the blinds don’t go up.

Here you have on a platter a triple up if you win the race. The odds are not fantastic, but at this point in the tourney you can’t have it all your way. If you don’t take this gamble you may not get a better spot before your stack dwindles to the point a double up still leaves you short stacked.

I would take the race and suddenly move from underdog to a real winning hopeful if I won. Or walk away knowing I was on my way out anyway if I lost.

ivan-banco
9.5.08 / 4am

muito bonito

Mother Theresa
9.5.08 / 4am

With as much action as there is here, (3 all ins), I can guess there is at least one pocket pair out there, and probably one or two aces and one or two kings. Knowing this, my outs are more limited here than if this were a HU race, and I am really just playing against the pocket pair with limited outs compared to a classic race.

Though sometimes you have take a gamble in poker when you know the odds are not in your favor, I don’t want to take that risk here. Sit it out and stay patient for a better hand opportunity to go all in with.

catcher
9.5.08 / 5am

Mother is spot on - there is almost certainly a pair somewhere, and even if it’s not AA or KK (which would be an outright disaster) you need to win a coinflip with some of your outs certainly being dead. Not a good spot to put all your chips in, sigh and let it go.

samo2
9.5.08 / 6am

Short-stacked SB behind you, so the party can get bigger … AK in this spot is an easy fold.

Levy
9.5.08 / 6am

I fold AK about 50% of the time.This is one of those times.

drhoho
9.5.08 / 7am

This is a clear fold imo.

AK is a great hand to push, but not to call 3x all in for the reasons everyone stated.

OnlinePokerIncome.com
9.5.08 / 8am

I wouldn’t even consider calling. I would call three-way only because one opponent is speeding around.

With AK you want to flip coins against one person or go 3-ways if you are short-stacked or one of your opponents is speeding. But never 4-way (or 3-way against two opponents neither of who are speeding) as you will always be looking at aces or kings.

Tripps
9.5.08 / 8am

whoops…missed the part about the Cutoff going all in. Sheesh…insta fold. No pair = no chance in this spot.

Utherrex
9.5.08 / 11am

Peaceful minded fold… the CO is screaming JJ+ (big PP or AKs)and almost sure our outs are dramatically decreased after 3 shoves. this is not gamble…more likely to suicide.

Action Brett
9.5.08 / 11am

good fold “you”

McTowish
9.5.08 / 4pm

Fold, you are either about breaking even (3 to 1 odds on 21 to 27% call) or crushed.

4-way action: If as little as 1 of your outs is dead and any of your opponents has a pair, you are not in the plurality to win the hand, the pair is. If 2 of your outs are dead, you are crushed.

With the ranges above, unless your opponent’s each has an unpaired A lower than yours (very very rare) in which case you’ll be 44% to win, you are never in the plurality to win.
Most of the time you are 21 to 27% to win the hand (AK versus 1-2 pair lower than KK with 1 out dead), close to breaking even in this scenario. If 1 of them has KK, as long as your A still has 3 outs you are still around 23-27%. You are a horrifying 4% if 1 of them has AA, and in the rare scenario if 1 has KK and 1 ace is dead, you’ll be 12-14%. If one of them also has AK (quite possible) and another has any pair, you are a heart-stopping 2% to win.

And as 2 players are left to act, it can get worse.

McTowish
9.5.08 / 4pm

4-way action:*You are not in the plurality to win the hand, the pair is.*

P.S. hmmm, shouldn’t title be AK facing 3 all-ins preflop?

Rhycar
9.5.08 / 5pm

Fooooooooooooooold. Only call with AA or KK, and you should think long and hard before calling with KK. I’d even fold QQ.

matty
9.5.08 / 5pm

would anyones answers change if it was QQ instead????

catcher
9.6.08 / 12am

I would call with QQ, and largely due to the reverse argument that was presented against calling with AK - with QQ you’re only afraid of AA/KK and as the real show of strength came from CO (who has been very active) I would assume that his range, while certainly including AA/KK also has big aces which in this situation are not doing very well against QQ.

So, with queens I would take the chance and try to triple up - sneaking into the money, while nice, is not why you play Sunday Million.

http://donkeyherder.livejournal.com
9.8.08 / 12pm

Doing a little homework shows best case most likely scenario AK wins at 29%. Most like at least 1 of the other players could have one of the aces or kings you need to win and for sure at least one pp, and if somebody has KK you are only at 13% and AA only 4%. It would be a hard fold but probably the right one. You still would have over 10x the BB to find a better EV+ spot. Knowing all this I still don’t know if I could fold it :)