Tourney / NL

Kings facing raise of terrible board, no limit tournament

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Game type: Small NL tournament
Stage of tourney: First orbit
Your image: You’ve raised a few pots previous, no showdowns
Opponent’s image: No read
Your hand: K♦K♣

The setup: It’s nearing the end of the first blind level of this small NL tournament (about four dozen players). You’ve raised a couple pots already when the following hand comes up.

You get kings on the button and the table folds to you. You make it 80; the SB folds and the BB calls. The flop is pretty grisly:

3♥J♥Q♥

The BB checks and you bet 125. The BB check raises you to 660.

What’s your play?

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11 COMMENTS  (Jump to comment form)

DHQ Staff
8.18.08 / 1pm

I’m assuming your opponent is almost always committed to the pot when you raise. There might be some points where they fold, but I think it’s a tiny part of their range. So, discarding that, you’re essentially facing an all in here.

That means you’re calling 1465 to win 1885, or about 1.2-1. Against just about pair and naked heart, you’re a coinflip. Against a naked ace, you’re roughly a 55-45. Against a set, two pair or a flush, you’re drawing pretty slim.

Against an opponent who is pretty clearly committed to this pot, I don’t think you’re doing well enough to make this call. You’re probably not too far off from the right price to call, but with so little invested and so much poker to play, I don’t think you’re getting paid to gamble here.

What actually happened: You shoved and the BB called, showing QJo for two pair. You failed to improve and lost the hand.

Anonymous
8.19.08 / 5am

You’re only beating KQ AQ and even then not by much if up aagainst Kh or Ah. You found out were you were with the flop raise and can find a better spot.

samo2
8.19.08 / 5am

Easy fold. You made a small bet and found out where you stand. BB may be on the nut flush draw, so don’t risk your tourney at this stage.

Rhycar
8.19.08 / 8am

Yeah, way too early to gamble like this. Villain likely has either flush, flush draw, two pair, or top pair with A or K kicker. Odds are awful, situation no good. Let it go and move on.

Chad Gerson
8.19.08 / 10am

Fold.

3_Olives
8.19.08 / 4pm

Have to disagree with everyone here.

1. “You’ve raised a couple pots already when the following hand comes up.” - Leads the BB to think this could be a steal attempt.
2. You are on the button, again adds to the appearance you are trying to steal.
3. The BB could be trying to push you off the hand and get a few more chips before the break and the blinds go up. He could still fold and have enough chips to try again.

If this is a tournament of pros I would agree with everyone’s advice that you are probably beat unless it is a good bluff. However, in average to low level players that are still in most tournies around the break, I consider this an all-in and I live with the outcome.

wckdnwld
8.19.08 / 4pm

I would definitely fold looking at a possible flush draw

no luck
8.21.08 / 2am

@3_olives, this is not a question of playing pros or donks, it’s just a matter of common sense. do you really think he basically risks his whole stack to prevent you from stealing a few chips? with 30-50xBB behind? no way. take it as what it is, a protective reraise and spare your chips for a better moment.

Utherrex
8.21.08 / 10am

I wouldn’t consider the raise as a sure protective raise. He might consider us to try to steal and is also very likely that he is after a draw (sratight or flush) or with a Q

not a bad time to try to double …or leave the table and forget it… :S

McCowish
8.31.08 / 9pm

Call.

You have an overpair to the board and may very well be best.

The check raise may have been top pair without a heart checking to the aggressor, trying to squeeze an extra bet out before raising out the heart draw. On the other hand, he could have the Ace of hearts and be free-card (no bet), bet: semi-bluff hard.

If there is no ace, no heart, no queen on turn, call his shove or shove yourself.

wx3
9.4.08 / 10am

lmao, calling would be the worst possible thing. yeah, lets put 40% of our stack in and then fold if one of apx. 15 outs comes (depending on the holding).

clear fold. too deep of stacks to raise all in with no redraw. youre pretty much racing against hands as bad as Qx8h.

Fold fold fold fold a million times fold. There will be so many better spots.

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