Daily Hand Quiz

Let’s start with the shove, which I think is the standard play for most people. BB is tight, but you look crazy, so their range is going to open up at least a little. Let’s say 55+, A9o+ and KQo+. That’s about 10% of hands, and you’re about 70-30 facing that range. So 90% of the time you win 7,300, and the remaining 10% of the time when you’re called you lose 11,410. That puts the shove at about +5500. Not bad, but not a huge pickup relative to your stack.

Folding might help your image a little bit, and it preserves your stack.

As for raising: If you make it 10k to go and the BB shoves, you’ll be looking at 27k to win roughly 50k. Even if you assume he gets a little friskier with the potential to make you fold and includes more weak aces, broadway and pairs in his range, you’re not getting the right price. You basically have to assume he’s shoving any ace, pair or face cards down to JT to get 2-1. So, raise-calling seems out.

What you raise – fold? If he reships about 15% of the time (which seems fair): 85% you win 7,300 and 15% of the time you lose 10k. That’s a plus of 4705 and it’s a much less volatile play. I think the decrease in volatility is worth the ~800 chip EV difference.

What about calling? He probably reships about the same amount, so 15% of the time you lose 1500. If you lead every flop for 6k and give up when you’re called, he’ll fold when he misses, which should be about 65% of the time. So, 35% of the time you lose 7500 and 65% of the time you win 8800 for a net + of about 3k. All that together equals a net win of about 2300 for the play.

Against an observant, aggressive player, raise-fold would probably be a massive mistake, but I think it’s the right play here.

What actually happened: You shoved and the BB called, showing AJ. The AJ held up and they won the pot.

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I’ve voted raise-fold with a bad feeling about that if I have to fold, it will ruin my further steal chances. The only thing I can to preserve it to make a long thinking before clicking the F* button.

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I voted raise fold as with the antes the pot is almost an additional 7% to my stack and I have an above average hand in the blinds. My raise looks like I would be pot committed (even though I’m not) meaning that the bb would only be able to shove with a far better hand and therefore i wouldn’t have the odds to call as getting under 2 to 1.

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I don’t get it. How can you raise-fold against a player with en 11BB stack?

It looks like a shove or fold spot for me. But I must be a donk.

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They missed out the bit that says:

“Whats you play here and what is your play if the opponent re-shoves?”

Shame they didn’t word it particularly well – as its a interesting quiz. The all is definately the best option here against a tight opponent – because if you are raising and calling then its hard to fold getting 2:1 with our chip stack so all in is the best value move.

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All I know is that many people would have shoved (like Tripps) and gotten beaten.

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Alright, maybe I’m insane, but why wouldn’t you just call then fold to a raise? You are in a comfortable position, and if BB is very tight, you can out-maneuver him after the flop. If he shoves, you can fold losing the minimum.

Shoving all-in is about as moronic as I can imagine, especially since you’ve got a very loose image and an average hand. Raising with the intent to fold to a re-raise is a decent play, probably better than raising with the intent to call a re-raise (he’ll be pot-committed). Folding is an acceptable move for your image’s sake, but not for your EV. I call, hope for the check, and I’ll take his money on the flop. If I meet resistance, I’m done.

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Raise/fold is not a bad option since BB is known to be tight, but flat out fold is probably the best play. With a complete trash hand you cannot raise/call or shove. Don’t be a donk.

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I hate the raise-fold in what it signifies for the long run. If we’re called on an all-in, maybe some observers notice that we can raise light, but often it doesn’t occur to them what they should do to beat us. OTOH we raise-fold, we basically announce to the table “Look, I raise with crap! Oh, and also I’m willing to fold with 2-1 odds, so you have fold equity if you reraise me with a ton of hands. Please come over the top of me whenever I try to steal your blinds, it’s a good idea.” Blind stealing is such a big deal with stacks of this size in a tournament that making such a statement is going to kill you.

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You’ve a monster chip lead, the table folds to you, only one player to go and a tight one at that. Why wouldn’t you take a stab at it. Standard 3x and see what he does? If he shoves you can fold. If he min raises or calls, you may be able to out play him after the flop. A shove is stupid. Fold is studid. Maybe call, but you will get no info on the strength of his hand. Best bet here is to raise and call if the amount is right.

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Unless you are a sheep, you have to take a stab. What better way than pre-flop. Raise fold. that’s the winner.

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mcshove

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By the way, good quiz, especially considering most of the comments are insightful. Very enjoyable.

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Firstly, the worst move you can do here is fold. Second is to push all in. King-4 offsuit when you’re 7 handed is not a good hand, average at best and that’s even when it’s just you and the BB left. Even if the BB has something like queen-10, you’re only something like a 60-40 favorite. Pushing his 34K all in would be about 30% of your stack and seeing as how you have the 3rd most chips, losing 30% of your stack when the final tables right around the corner is the worst thing you can do.

Third worst is raise-call and thats for the same reasons as above.

At first I was gonna vote to just call, hope to see a flop and outplay the BB. And like somebody had mentioned, even if he raises all in preflop, you can just fold. only losing 3K so that’s not a bad play at all.

But then I thought, he’s a tight player with the short stack. He’s gonna have to have atleast something like king-9/10 suited, queen-jack, or any ace to go all in with. If you raise to something around 12-15K, he can’t just call and hope to hit the flop. He’s gonna have to either fold or go all in. But then if he does push, you can fold and probably still have the 3rd biggest stack and remaine chip leader at the table. So my vote was raise-fold. Granted when you’re chip leader at the table, you can gamble a little more than everyone else. But gambling 30% of your stack with king-4 offsuit with the final table close just seems too much of a bold move at that point and time.

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Firstly, the worst move you can do here is fold. Second is to push all in. King-4 offsuit when you’re 7 handed is not a good hand, average at best and that’s even when it’s just you and the BB left. Even if the BB has something like queen-10, you’re only something like a 60-40 favorite. Pushing his 34K all in would be about 30% of your stack and seeing as how you have the 3rd most chips, losing 30% of your stack when the final tables right around the corner is the worst thing you can do.

Third worst is raise-call and thats for the same reasons as above.

At first I was gonna vote to just call, hope to see a flop and outplay the BB. And like somebody had mentioned, even if he raises all in preflop, you can just fold. only losing 3K so that’s not a bad play at all.

But then I thought, he’s a tight player with the short stack. He’s gonna have to have atleast something like king-9/10 suited, queen-jack, or any ace to go all in with. If you raise to something around 12-15K, he can’t just call and hope to hit the flop. He’s gonna have to either fold or go all in. But then if he does push, you can fold and probably still have the 3rd biggest stack and remaine chip leader at the table. So my vote was raise-fold. Granted when you’re chip leader at the table, you can gamble a little more than everyone else. But gambling 30% of your stack with king-4 offsuit with the final table close just seems too much of a bold move at that point and time.

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Raise-fold

4-5xBB raise. If reraised, fold.

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I’m new here, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.

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I don’t get how shoving is the most +ev play by 800 chips yet people are arguing for a raise fold. I thought poker was all about maximizing edges, this seems like an edge not worth passing up.

Even with our loose table image, a tight player is probably not going to risk his stack with a marginal hand. You never know, he may even fold something like A3 or A5.

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I’m also new I think think this really great I learned a lot reading the comments Thanks by the way I voted raise-call “dumb”

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I raise 3xBB and fold to shove. As for calling and outplaying your opponent after the flop that several people have suggested- it is a lot easier to be done in position rather than out of. A very tight opponent is not going to call your PF raise 1 times out of 3. Calling, however, lets him see the free flop which does pair his hand 1 times out of 3 and given the villain’s stack size he’s not going to let it go once he hits. So why not outplay him before he pairs his hand in position?

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I dont want to just raise here beacause if he calls and we go to a flop without a K or a 3 I would have to fold or bluff…the chances that he would have an all in hand is around 30% I’ll take my chances here and if he had an A well…thats why its called gambeling.

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fold>shove>call>raise

its close to the final table and you can get there with a healthy stack, no need get greedy here therefore fold. if you decide to play the hand a raise that isn’t followed by a call against a shove is spew (you get the right price considering his shoving range)therefore push. calling is fine if you open the pot no matter what comes on the flop, you might even fill up and call a raise, because if he doesnt hit he will have a hard time to call when you open on the flop. raise/fold is simply bad, you do not need a king for that.

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