Archive Pick: Missed AK out of position, no limit cash game

DailyHandQuiz

Game type: 1/2 NL 6 max, Full Tilt Poker
Your image: Fairly aggressive
Opponent’s image: A little loose preflop
Your hand: A♥K♥

This hand is from our archives and originally appeared on March 28th. View the original quiz and comments here.

The setup: You’re relatively new to this six max table. You’ve been raising a decent amount in your first couple of orbits. Your opponent, a player you have a decent amount of hands on, is a little loose preflop but plays fairly standard otherwise.

This hand you’re dealt AKs UTG. You raise to $7 and your opponent makes it $21. The rest of the table folds. You put in the third raise, making it $78 total. Opp calls and you whiff the flop:

4♣7♦Q♣

It’s your action. How often are you leading at this flop?

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DHQ Staff

What we said then: The queen is a bit of an annoying card, since AQ is a likely holding for your opponent, but I think it’s only a small part of a range that includes a lot of small to medium pocket pairs that are going to have a tough time calling here. It’s hard to put them on a very strong hand as your 3rd raise probably made you look pretty committed and most JJ hands would probably go ahead and get the rest of the money in preflop.

I think you’ve represented a very strong hand so far and there’s no reason to quit doing that now. I lead all the time here.

What actually happened: You shoved and your opponent folded.

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drhoho

I cant even vote on this. I play ladbrokes, and on that site, if your UTG 4-bet gets called by an opponent against whom you dont have an elaborate history, AQ and JJ- are NOT a part of villains range.

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5types

Who are you on Ladbrokes drhoho?

Got to shove. The pot is bigger than your stack, if you dont shove youre opponent surely will and you will have to hit to win the majority of the time.

Theres no reason to give up your fold equity after youve 4-bet.

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drhoho

@5types

well, after I 4-bet I am probably going to shove, hoping he has AK as well. After all, there are 6*3=18 ways for him to have AK, and 9*2=18 ways for him to have AA/KK/QQ. So with the pot bigger than my stack, shoving would be +EV if I dont count AQ to villains range.

But it will be a crying shove, as I am used to the nits on Laddies having the nuts every time they get involved in a 4-bet vs UTG, unless I have a history with them.

This is a nasty, nasty spot filled with only nasty options, and it was too early in the morning for me to answer first time.

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5types

Yep, It would mostly be sniff back the tears and shove, but I got myslef into it by 4-betting AK oop. Damn.

I also agree most players on laddies at this level who call a 4-bet will have a big pair.

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_CityBorn_

If youre going to 4 bet here leaving yourself with less of a stack then the pot, and out of position, you really should shove. I try to answer these things honestly though. I wouldve either shoved or flat called the reraise preflop, so I wouldnt be in this position. And if by some chance I got myself into this mess, Id be torn about what to do…sometimes shove, sometimes check, so I picked whatever was closest to 50/50…40%.

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samo2

I would have flat called the 3-bet, nevertheless I’d push here representing a Q or an overpair. Hope that the villain has a medium pair (or lower) and will fold.

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OnlinePokerIncome.com

If you decide to play it after the reraise then this was the way to do it – reraise and then shove no matter what flops. Sometimes being out of position is actually being in position.

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conner

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Automatic shove always, for the reason stated by staff and others, so many pocket pairs opponent could have so he’ll probably think you either had him beat already with bigger pair or the Q hit. No way im checking ever, because you would then have to fold to a bet. I agree with CityBorn on preflop, it was not good play and it lead to a sticky situation. Flat call or shove preflop would have been better.

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Anonymous

I really don’t understand this thinking that small to medium pocket pairs are in the villains range, they’re calling another $57 for our measly $135 stack. Further, they must KNOW the rest is getting in on the flop, with us only having $57 left in a $159 pot. Just because someone is loose preflop doesn’t mean they’re idiotic about 4bet/commitment situations. Anyway, us 4-betting here 60% of our stack, with no history w/ the opponent is pretty bad imo. Now, with getting 4:1, the opp is likely to call with everything left in his range and have us well behind.

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