Cash, NL / Short

Straight on the river facing pot-sized lead, no limit cash

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Game type: 2/4 no limit cash
Your image: Losing
Opponent’s image: Nutty
Your hand: 8♣7♥

The setup: You haven’t been playing that long in this game, but you’ve already been on the wrong side of several confrontations with the player in the SB. After winning a decent pot your second hand, you’ve lost several to this guy. You keep building pots and leading at them when you miss, and he keeps making ridiculously large raises and check-raises. You’ve been forced to lay down probably about 5 times in the last few orbits and had to watch as he passes your money to other players.

This hand, the table folds to you and you limp the button. The SB completes and the BB folds. You flop open ended:

K♣6♦5♥

The blinds check and you bet 12. The SB calls and the BB folds. You turn the nuts with the 4♣. The SB checks and you bet 33.50. The SB calls. The river semi-counterfeits you with the 7♦.

The SB snap leads for 103. What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff
5.28.08 / 7pm

The clear question here is: does he have a worse hand he’ll call with more often than he has a better hand? Let’s start by determining whether 98 is even possible for him. Since he’s a goof and seems to enjoy sticking it to you, it’s more than possible he’d call two streets with the gut, and 98 certainly seems within his preflop range from the SB. The fact that you have an 8 does make it a little less likely.

You can use pretty much the same analysis from above when determining whether he’s likely to have a 3. The only thing that makes it a little less likely is that since this guy has a history of shoving it in a bunch, you’d expect him to at least consider checkraising the turn with a draw, even moreso with and pair and a draw.

In the end, it’s probably close to a wash. In that case, I like the raise simply because it’ll keep the action brewing between you two - and if he has nothing and folds (which is probably the most common outcome), he might be looking to get you back in the next couple of orbits.

What actually happened: You called and the SB showed 63 for the dumb end of the straight.

drhoho
5.29.08 / 12am

@Staff
If you want to raise, put raise as an option in the vote.

Anyway, I just called. A donk he is, but thinking he would call a raise with the sucker straigth is still optimistic.

5types
5.29.08 / 1am

As drhoho says, theres no raise option.

This is a call for me. As hes likely got an 8, a set, 2 pair, or the arse end of the str8.

Having said that a shove wouldnt be a bad move as the times hes got 98 are very few, and the times he calls with worse are probably greater.

Anonymous
5.29.08 / 2am

why can’t i raise?

IronFrog
5.29.08 / 6am

two things, no raise option and the pre-flop action says the BB FOLDS WITH HIS OPTION TO CHECK!!! this question is a bit messed up lol but anyway

idiot like that i actually thought he was slowplaying a set because he’d been so aggresive and i’d expect him to raise with a pair but obv not. tbh on the river he’s getting all of it or none of it so i jam it. looks like i’m on tilt, he calls with TP+

Chad Gerson
5.29.08 / 9am

I voted call but would raise if the option were there. You’re almost never beat here. Try to extract more.

Cristiano
5.29.08 / 9am

I raise… Oh well there is no raise here! Clear tilt war, you were and most likely still are ahead, mini-raise him and be prepared to call an all-in bet.

_CityBorn_
5.29.08 / 10am

Hmm..I misread the setup and thought the board paired, so I thought call, with the logic that the only times he calls a raise are times when youre behind. Now that I see you have the second nuts, I raise. Nothing to lose. Chances are slim hes got 89, and he could just be dumb enough to call with the low straight. I dont remember seeing raise as an option though.

Toast
5.29.08 / 10am

How is fold ever an option? If you’re seeing monsters under the bed when villain is drawing two streets to a gutter ball, then you are playing way too scared.

Deep Blue
5.31.08 / 11pm

love this site. But this is silly. Raise. Reasons given above work for me. Even if he’s not calling with his weaker holding. I want to turn the tides now against a player who’s had my number the last few hands. No show down. No way.

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