Pocket pair with an over on board, blind on blind nl cash

Seems like it’s time to find out where you’re at in the hand. A safer turn might have allowed you to opt for a call down, but this one puts so many draws on board that you can’t risk letting your opponent name their own price for backing into some weird made hand.

Raising here not only gets you the information you need (I think a three-bet bluff is pretty unlikely from most opponents here), but it also lets you get value when you’re ahead and might allow you to get to a cheaper showdown when you’re behind. I think you can make it about $70 or so and plan to check the river if you’re called.

Folding probably isn’t terrible with only 8BBs invested in the hand, but the value you can get out of drawing hands tips this to a clear raise for me.

What actually happened: You called and the river brought the 6c. The SB fired $60 and you folded.

I voted call but the DHQ has convinced me that a raise is better, what actually happened is a great example on the drawbacks of flat calling

Definitely raise.

Ideally raise the flop.

i voted raise becuase i want to be the aggressor here with my jacks. and i would of re-raised pre-flop because its likely he was trying a steal pre flop

I would push as I am a luckbox and always hit the river big

ID FOLD THE GUY RAISED PREFLOP MAN IT DEPENDS ON HIS IMAGE TO IF HES A LOOSE CANNON THEN ID CALL HIM BUT HE RAISE PREFLOP HE PROBABLY HAS ACE QUEEN OR QUEEN KING OR 3 OF A KIND ALLREADY ID FOLD ON FLOP WHEN HE BETS 10

I voted raise small to try to get the information you need in this hand. Obviously you can’t just call the turn because you have not defined your hand and your playing a guessing game. I would raise the turn enough to find out where i’m at.

Considering our table image of fairly aggressive and considering weve been pushed off some hands I feel our opponent would bet on the flop regardless of whether he hit. A 10, A 9 or under pair are all very likely hands for him to have. Definitely should have raised the flop but since were at the turn you have to find out where you are. I would double the bet or raise 30 or so. If he comes back over the top we fold and we would still have enough chips to play with. A call would be the most expensive because he would almost definitely make a big bet on the river and we are in a worse situation at that point with more invested.

ALAN cracks me up.

I voted call. I wouldve raised preflop first of all, and I wouldve raised again on the flop. SB betting 3x when folded around is a standard move…he could have anything, and you want to find out before finding yourself on a draw heavy board, up against an unreadable situation. But given the current scenario, I think we play this for pot control since a raise here could look like an aggressive move, possible bluff, and its possible were up against a better hand. Any queen, and of course stronger hands will call. Lets keep up our current line and play this hand for the small pot it deserves given how weve played it so far. Our line so far has to be confusing to our villain, and he’ll most likely bet 2/3 pot again on the river not knowing where were at. If hes strong, he wont want to lose us, if hes weak, hell prob try to sell he has the queen or better, both with a similar type of bet. since I think theres a fair chance were ahead, I call the river….unless the 6 of clubs hits making him every conceivable hand he couldve possibly been drawing to. In that case, I fold the river.

Bob, I thought I was the only one.

Haha, lol @ the guy saying fold on the flop. I’d raise on the flop to find out where I’m at here and now before any more scary cards come off. As played this puts you in a terrible spot on the river, and when that 6 hits you have no choice but to fold then.

flat call shive the river,
…. booooom

I dont really like bluffing a lot, and flatcalling on flop and coming over the top on turn with 2. pair is a pretty much a bluff as I see it. Anyway, villain will probably fold most Q’s if we dont have a maniac image, so it migth work.
Anyway, with no info on villain 2nd barreling habits I would often fold 2nd pair here.
I dont play full ring, but I think reraising preflop is pretty standard with hooks preflop.

I’d make a small raise.. I would have 3bet it preflop though

Assuming SB is a TAG you are beating AK and AJ, TT-88, can’t see them firing 2 bullets with less then that. though they will be encouraged by your flop call to just put you on a draw. That being said TAG’s generally don’t like bluffing big OOP.

You’re losing to AA-QQ and AQ, 77, 55

So range wise you’re probably just ahead here. If you don’t mind the swings you should be looking to passive call-call-call this, maybe do a river raise.

Is very risky though, and you’re drawing to 2 outs if behind and if ahead you’re giving him cheap cards if he’s on AK or similar.

If you’re not confident doing this then you should just fold on the flop

Definitely should have re-raised pre-flop. Now, just clal and be prepared to fold the river.

Should’ve rr preflop. Should’ve raised flop bet. Prolly best to fold at this point save your self getting deeper in to trub.
I actually voted call though . As it is keep pot small. Villains will often fire 2nd barrel on a steal but rarely third.
If he does bet river he is either very brave bluffing with the board as it is or he has a very good hand, in which case fold.
If you were to raise the turn you would need to spend 60-70 dollars whereas if you call turn call river you can expect $22 turn $50 river so same cost either way more or less.
Raising on the turn doesnt look right with the board as the turn card doesnt make any likely hands, villain will suspect a bluff. Therefore raise is least desirable option.