Queens facing flop shove, Poker Stars Sunday Million

The bad thing about this bet is your opponent is just as likely to make it with some strong hands as he is to make it with hands you’re beating, especially considering your current image.

Without a read, the re-raising range from the BB is probably pretty solid, say TT+ and AQs+. It might be a little wider if they are figuring you for tilt. If they’re shoving with that full range, it’s very hard for you to pass up this spot.

What actually happened: jaygee1984 called and was shown AK. No Q on turn or river and he was eliminated.

In this case fold.

If it were me though I think Id consider shoving over his re-raise though instead of calling.

It’s difficult to do but I’d fold. I retain a playable stack and induce more shoving from my opponent who think I’m weak because of my laydowns.

i would have called here
although i would have pushed preflop instead of flat called

this is a an ugly shove but i think folding is only option as he obv thinks that this flop has giv him a very strong hand and where a lot of weaker hands can call him, with the action pre flop the only hand he is scared of is 99 and its very unlikely we have flopped quads or have a 9 in our hand (AA KK not really an option as we probs reraise), He obv thinks we have either kq or a high pair, which we do and he got paid off, poker at its most ruthless but u have got to be a winner.

Shoving preflop against a 3X raise is foolish with QQ. You are almost certainly up against A10 or better and you don’t have many outs if he hits. It is best to lay them down after the 3X preflop raise.

I fold. We have an average stack and I believe I can beat this guy in later situations. I don’t need to make bets for all my chips in marginal situations. Besides, how do you NOT take villain for a K with a big kicker or a 9? We’re beat.

If we’re even considering shoving now, we’re too late. This should have been done pre-flop if at all.

Fold is the only move that makes sense here. He obviously (correctly) assumes that you dont have AA, KK or a 9, and with no draw therefore knows he is ahead. Given he has you covered it is a nice move for him to make - on the basis that he considers you tilty and might get paid off.

From your point of view though, you are asking yourself - does he think I am tilty and is he therefore representing? But what is he representing - surely only AK makes sense. Would he open shove with KK/AA and a dry board? Probably not, unless he thinks you are tilting badly.

No matter - given he re-raised preflop and you never went over the top (not that I’m recommending that) AND you have no read on him - surely you have to give him credit for the AK - he could also have AA, KK too dont forget. Otherwise (assuming he hasn’t QQ, or a 9) surely you are only looking at AQ, JJ, TT - would he open shove with these hands from oop? Again you dont have a read, but given your relative stack sizes he’d surely reserve this type of move for a smaller stack - unless you are perceived as REALLY on tilt.

Also, if you were going to put all your chips in regardless of the flop - then why not go over the top pre-flop?? Answer is that you were probably hoping to reraise a smaller stack pre-flop - well it didnt work this time so look again at the other stacks - you are still in an okay position stack wise - take a deep breath, fold it and wait for another opportunity, taking advantage of your now even tiltier image.

“Shoving preflop against a 3X raise is foolish with QQ. You are almost certainly up against A10 or better and you don’t have many outs if he hits. It is best to lay them down after the 3X preflop raise.”

I dont think you should ever fold Queens heads up to a 3-bet.

Maybe shoving is risky, but youve got the 3rd best starting hand possible, plus a tilty image (meaning he might call with something brilliant for you, like a smaller pair)so in this situation there are far worse things to do than get it all-in preflop.

At the end of the day youre gonna have to win/suckout a couple of flips to win and this is as nearly as good a spot as youre going to get to give it a shot.

I voted call. It was close, but ive seen so many plays like these with missed hands assuming you missed the flop too, and cant call. Given our recent string of folds after showing strength, its increasingly likely that he’s putting us to the test. I think JJ, TT and A/Q make the same play and we would win a huge pot.

With QQ this is an easy preflop shove, especially if they were figuring you were on tilt. It was very stupid to flat call, you were committed and ahead of his range 80%+ of the time. You’re ITM already.

+1 for “why didn’t you just shove preflop?”

you are afraid of precisely 2 hands at this point (AA,KK) and you are beating everything else (including the AK that opponent had)

That only explanation i can think of was that you were planning on getting it in on the flop no matter what came up and hope that you opponent hits something, though since they’re more likely to miss it makes more sense just to do it preflop

You have an average and playable stack. You didn’t shove pre-flop to put the pressure back on the villain, and the flop is ugly. Hard to do, but fold and wait for your spot.

This weekend in live play I folded QQ pre-flop when I put out a healthy raise, then someone with a bigger stack than me re-raised all in, then someone with a bigger stack than him re-raised again all in. I figured one of them had AA, turns out both did. I showed my QQ when I folded, and the table got scared of me. Then I started making some money.