Cash, NL / Short

AK facing a fourth raise preflop, high stakes no limit

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Game type: 40/80 deep-stacked no limit cash on Full Tilt
Your image: Aggressive and tricky
Opponent’s image: Has been winning but almost always by showing down strong hands.
Your hand: A♠K♣

This hand is based on one that took place between Arbianight and pr1nnyraid. You’ll be standing in for pr1nnyraid. Thanks to high stakes report for the hand history.

The setup: You’re down a decent amount in this heads up match to a strong opponent who has been running well. This hand you get AK preflop in the SB. You raise to 3x and your opponent re-raises to $840.

You put in the third raise at a little over 3x and they tank and make the fourth raise for $7,740 total.

You have about 20k behind and there’s a bit over 10k in the middle. What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff
4.1.08 / 8pm

Two complicating factors: A strong player who’s running well isn’t going to get tricky with monster hands, as they know you’re looking to not give them credit. This is also a deep-stacked game, so you still have almost 250 BBs behind even with the action so far.

Folding AK preflop in a heads up match isn’t ever a really appealing option, but your opponent doesn’t seem to be giving you much reason that they’d do this with anything really outside of TT / JJ+. They also don’t look like they’re going to fold for another 15k, as they’d be getting 2-1 and they might sense your frustration.

Would you call if they shoved? That’s essentially what they’ve done by making this raise. You’d be calling for your stack at a little better than 1.25-1 with AK, and AKo is about a 60-40 dog to a TT+, AKo+ range.

It’s close and it feels really nitty, but I think you can drop and wait for a better spot.

What actually happened: pr1nnyraid shoved and Arbianight called, showing aces. Aces held up and Arbianight won the pot.

kaimano
4.2.08 / 12am

AA vs AK heads up is really unlucky. I call, see the flop and use position. If A or K doesn’t come on the flop I’m done because it’s pretty clear that he has a pocket pair TT+

5types
4.2.08 / 1am

I agree with the comment above. Call and see a flop. If you dont get something good then fold.

I think people put too much stock in AK as it is. Sure its a great hand but you have to hit, and I dont think all-in pre flop with AKo in a cash game is a good play.

5types
4.2.08 / 1am

I should add - I dont think all-in pre flop with AKo in a cash game is a good play, against a STRONG opponents 4 bet.

jhs
4.2.08 / 2am

this is sick but the way he had played actually looks like he has us gud, i cant think of a hand we have gud chance against, im callin (as i have time to think but i know i wud be goin all in) and prayin we hit an ace or king or broadway coz i cant lay down ak heds up preflop, i honestly think his play is to strong for even jj 10, im hopin for qq. but not surprised if he has aces or kings.

Matt
4.2.08 / 9am

While I hate to lay this down heads up, I have to think the fourth raise means AA or KK. Assuming an equal chance of both (although in reality AA is more likely), I’m a 4.4 - 1 dog against that range. Against AA, KK, QQ or JJ, I am about 2.3-1. I really don’t think his range could be worse than that except maybe for a chop. If by some small chance it’s a pure bluff then oh well - got me!

Hoping to hit broadway, or thinking that an A or K on the flop would certainly help you is a good way to go broke.

I’m respecting the re-re-raise and laying it down.

OnlinePokerIncome.com
4.2.08 / 9am

No way do I make that third raise with AK off.

But since we did, now we can safely fold as that fourth raise screams aces or kings.

Jeremy Fisher
4.2.08 / 11am

lol @ responses

kingofsnake
4.2.08 / 11am

Its a hard laydown. I called, but I’m not a very good poker player. I called thinking “donkey move, I should totally fold this one” Everything about how he’s betting says he has us beat.

I agree that no way do I make the third raise with AKo. His reraise puts him on a range of hands we could still beat if we let it play out. But his fourth raise puts him on a range of hands that has its way with us.

kingkebab
4.2.08 / 12pm

3rd re raise, AKo, 10% of stack commited FOLD EASY.

Easley20
4.2.08 / 1pm

I push all in!..NOT…Fold, Fold, Fold

phoenix4
4.2.08 / 1pm

I am a bad player and please don’t blast me out of the water for my thoughts. I was thinking if this guy had aces, he would have just called us to get value out of us. It seems like with AK, I would have called, assuming he had a pair qq-77, and hoped my ace or king would get paired on the flop. It seems like the hand should have gone, I raise, he calls and I don’t have that much more information about my opponent.

Chad Gerson
4.2.08 / 9pm

The 3-bet was dumb. Shoving even dumber.

Steve
4.2.08 / 9pm

Well there is that old poker saying that the fourth raise means aces…

I actually voted shove since he’ll probably be making this play with AA-JJ + AK and my thinking was along the lines of you’ll win slightly less then 1/2 the time against this range and there’s cash in the pot so long term +EV

but then i look at it and its more like 25% ;]

So yeah fold, kinda sucks you had to spend 2K to get enough info to fold, but better then losing entire stack (like what happened lol)

Kris
4.2.08 / 10pm

Im not foldin here… Against the range you are giving i dont think you can fold here profitably. He will show up 10’s-A’s here allmost 100% and possibly AK, but I still think shove!

kaimano
4.3.08 / 12am

I think the 3rd raise was reasonable, AK heads-up is a really strong hand. The call on his reraise is more for advertising than for pot odds…let’s see what he does after the flop!

thomas30dk50/100fxlmt
8.21.08 / 11am

Easy laydown.. Are you kidding me.. Fold and let him fry when he sees his aces didnt do the trick..
Even better.. If software allow.. Show him the lay down.. But for me.. Easy fold..

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