Pair and draw out of position on turn, PokerStars Sunday Million

Weakish leads on dry flop against a preflop aggressor (especially one with a stack) don’t tend to do a very good job of gaining you information, since your opponent will generally play very strong hands, a lot of mediocre hands and total floats the same way.

I think your opponent does have a king a good amount of the time here, and I don’t think they’re really ever folding it. I also don’t think you’ll get too many checks behind from this type of opponent. The good news: you have decent equity when you do get called, and you will get better hands (like 99) to fold a good amount of the time.

It’s probably close, but I think you’re throwing good money after bad if you bet again here. Check and surrender and be happy if you get a free / cheap river every now and again.

What actually happened: In the actual hand, lostinmn led the turn for 12.5k and folded when Skammes raised all in. We don’t know what cards lost had, 55 was inserted for the sake of the quiz.

I’d have folded preflop, out of position, not enough implied odds. Then I’d have checked the flop, give credit to the raiser when a king flops. On the turn I think it’s best to limit the damage and check-fold.

well since we have played this hand so bad i voted for go allin on the turn as we can get 10 jj qq 99 88 77 (hopefully)to fold and if we dont we shud have 10 clean outs to the river as our back up. small pairs are over rated unless there are gud implied odds there or u actually put u oppo on an over pair i dont see y we called in the first place it is very tricky to play them against two overs when u havent flopped a set, so back up ur bad play with a strong move on the turn and watch em sweat if only for 10 secs when they call u with ace king

Its a bad play with 55. Should be folded pre flop.

Hes much more likely to have made the play with 1010 or JJ, maybe even QQ.

If I was in the situation where I got to the turn this turn with 55 though I would probably shove and hope he doesnt have a K, or is good enough to fold a weakish K.

agree with above

55 never should have been played this way, but as this was played out, a shove here sounds good as there is a good chance ur opponent is sitting on jacks or queens

I agree with the jhs

Ya know, If you make good decisions preflop, you won’t be faced with hard decisions postflop. Could somebody explain how Hero committed 1/3 his stack with a pair of fives, out of position?

I agree with staff probably 60% of the time and 5types the other 40%.

if we shove what are we representing?? AK would bet for value, JJ, QQ would check, AA would have reraised preflop…we aren’t telling a credible story unless we have flopped a set (our hope). At this point is savier to bet 25-30k…if he calls we are cooked…but he’s not going to call wothout a hand…so it’s like a probe bet but we aren’t committing ourself completely…and our bet sounds like a value bet to a thinking opponent…

yer I see your point kaimoni it such a bad situation any way like s***e am i playin 55 out of position against a big stack when it has been raised and reraised. thats y i go allin to make a fish move that hopefully gets through a better hand.

One more of those hands where you are asked find the rigth play to follow up on bad play.

There was nothing near setvalue preflop, and by not folding and then betting the flop you wasted 28.5k, an important part of your stack. The part that would allow you to play more efficiently against the medium stacks on the bubble soon to come. Still, almost 29BB is still above average and leaves you room to play good poker.

I check here, and I fold to any real bet of more than like 17k. (and what villain bets less, seriously?)
Dont throw good money after bad, after all the next 20k you loose is even more crucial than the first 28.5k and gives you less FE than many less risky bluffs.

you’re right to say that the previous play was bad…but don’t you think that is reasonable to risk 20k to win 70k and become chipleader? I repeat, I’d have folded preflop…but here I’d be tempted…we have 10 outs, don’t forget…

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I agree with regole above me about the probable collusion. Call in the raving soldiers wearing plaid. Be sure to tell them about your wrethed bungalow.

There is $76K in the pot thanks to misplaying this hand. We only have $57k left. You either have to give it up or shove here.

Those chips are important and I think we should now try and grab them, being as the villian showed weakness by only calling the flop so we have a decent amount of fold equity, 8 outs, and a nice return on risk. I’ll probably take a shot here.

I’d just push. Alot of hands will fold, AA and KK, and AK definitely will not… but QQ or less might. Hell, if the player thinks he’s the god of laydowns, he may put us on a set (the limp/call on our part preflop looks very much like a small PP) and fold his hand. Im usually not gonna just give up in this spot if I already played the hand like an idiot.

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At first I thought it was a fold/shove situation but now I think that a 25k bet might represent better a strong hand and save us a little stack if we are called. Think about this…what would you bet if we had flopped a set? Would you shove here?

Flat calling the 5k initial raise post flop was your biggest mistake, a reraise of up to 12k would’ve shown a lot more strength and may have scared off the button with hands like KTs+ AT+
and any low-mid pair, and you would have picked up the blinds and then some.

Since you limped and re-limped (as I like to call it) and was played badly postflop, in this position I would check/fold and punch myself in the nuts for being such a tard.

uhm. why are you calling 3 bets with 55 OOP? IF for some reason you thought it was a squeeze play, wouldnt the correct play be to 4 bet preflop? shoot yourself in the foot y dun u—this hand shoulda been put in a furnace preflop (i dont know that i even like the ORIGINAL call of the ORIGINAL raise)

by the way, flatting OOP then open betting into the raiser post flop is a weak play 95% of the time; if you had flopped a set you would have check raised or check called nd slow played…im not saying its necessarily the best play 2 check raise always but 100% of donks (player who played this hand is obv a donk) check raise or slow play when they flop sets..your play just not only way bad but u also made your range of hands extremely obvious. if u thought he missed the flop the correct play would be to check raise….but like i said in my previous post, you shouldnt have seen the flop in the first place—punch self in face immediately

I voted:

Shove, then get called and lose.

Then get up and punch the sofa several times.

Then try explaining to your girlfriend how much you f@#king hate poker

Then receive some great advice like “don’t bet so much next time if you’re worried about losing it all in one hand”

Then go get yourself commited