Daily Hand Quiz

This is a pretty tough spot which I think we created by not pushing on the flop. If we choose to be greedy and flat call that flop, I think we have to be prepared to bail when it seems like we’re beat on the turn.

It’s possible that our opponent holds a Queen, but I would think they would raise a little bit more with a weaker hand like that. Again, had we pushed the flop we would probably get those Queens to call anyway and we take the turn play away from them. As it is I think we’re up against a set or a flush here most of the time and I’m not calling off my stack.

What actually happened: You called and your opponent showed 4c 2d for a flopped two pair. The river didn’t help and you were eliminated.

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i thought this was played like two pair, but this cud of been avoided with a a more sizeable raise preflop how can u put someone on a hand or a range of handswhen ur giving every hand the right price to call even against kings the player has took the gamble by not rasing more preflop and has paid the price. Obv min rasin is not the same as just callin but if ur are prepare to let ppl see cheap flops with ur big pairs to trap u have to be prepared to let them go if u think u r beat.

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u raise big under the gun u looking for trouble. He got lucky, fold and be done with it

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All you’ve got is a pair – let it go and punch yourself in the nuts for your stupid preflop min raise out of position.

I’m quickly throwing away KK here on the shove given the good chance that he has 2 pair, a set or a flush. I can live with the small chance that he has AQ or similar and be happy to play on with my decent stack.

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2 4 OS…LMAO. What do you get when you raise just 2X the big blind with a big poket pair? A huge case of RED ASS!!!

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Basically, we’ve played this hand horribly and now we’re in a tough spot. We should have raised more than the min. under the gun (I would have preferred 3x the BB), and we definitely should have reraised the check raise to see where we were at. Calling here was terrible, as we have no idea where we’re at. That said, I would have re-raised and he would probably have shoved back (having 2 pair) and we might have gone broke calling him anyway. But at least it would have made more sense. It’s possible he might only call our re-re-raise, and then he might have thought twice about shoving on the turn. Who knows. Either way, I said fold at this point and try to play better going forward.

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Funny…before I read staff comments or the outcome, I had them on two pair. This is such a classic way to play two pair. Check-raise the flop, throw it all in on the scary flush turn. I suppose a set would play similarly, but they are more likely to bet less on the turn with a set hoping to keep you intersted. Two pairs are scared to see a river, thus the giant bet. A set has a shot at quads or a boat, so they can play a bit slower.

Oh, and I agree with the sentiment…min raise UTG with Kings is crazy. This is exactly what you are corting..and why min raising UTG with ANYTHING is a bad play. I ran into a guy yesterday that would min raise UTG with lots of things. At first I thought he was tricky and was wary, but soon realized he was begging to be crushed by modest holdings. For instance, he min raised with 88 and was crippled when a similar two pair hand (74 I think) shoved on a flop of 7, 4, 2.

Also, not raising with Kings in this spot is the MOST aggressive way to play this hand (short of limping of course – but even that play has the option of limp re-raising a late position stealer). By betting 12% of your stack pre-flop like this, you are headed for heartbreak when a weak ace calls, or as we find out in this one, some random two-card combination nails the flop.

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I’m raising at least 4X the big blind here preflop. I’ll take just the blinds any day instead of making a weak raise to ensure action and getting outflopped.

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Obviously checking your bet pre-flop was a BIG mistake is this case. I can see doing this too, but not riding this mistake to an all in bet. The post flop play for me is to bet the pot and offer him 2:1. If comes over the top, I know I’m beat. If he calls, you know he as something (probably better than you) and check the turn. Ah, but at this point, I suppose I’d just loose it all on the river. What do I know?

The funny thing about letting a blind limp into a pot with anything is that they’ll limp into the pot with anything. Even if the guy made top pair, the odds of him bluffing them with a big all in bet are what, 10%? I peg the guy for big pocket pair or two low pair. Either way the pot is not offering the odds.

There is no way you can beat this guy. Fold.

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easy raise to 3x the BB preflop; you need to drive out the garbage hands / low suited connectors+ 1 gappers. Your opponent, one of the last 32 guys out of a field of 3200 players, has to be somewhat decent.

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They put you on exactly what you had, a BIG pair. Small pairs like 55 – 99 would have raise 3x to 4x in order to steal the blinds and be happy with that. You got too greedy and busted out. Remember, with KK or AA you will always win small pots or lose HUGE pots.

Thus, they had the implied odds to easily call the min-raise, even though the pot odds did not facilitate the call.

They hit their dream flop, saw you lead out, and re-min-raised you (which may have felt like a bluff to you due to you thinking the opponent is loose). When the spade hit, there was no harm in representing the flush…I’m sure they would have been happy to take the pot down then already.

In short, your opponent had knew exactly what you would do and you got UTTERLY OUTPLAYED.

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Poorly played as noted by several others.

However it was donkish of the BB to call even a min raise with 42o. Nothing you can do when a donk calls you and flops 2 pair.

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Morat Reply:
January 25th, 2012 at 8:01 am

He had perfect odds to call, more than 4:1, so calling was +EV. And as Hero played his pair face up with the minraise, V could’ve expected to have huge implied odds. As it seems he was right.

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No need to comment further

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i no pipedream17 and he is a huge fish……….lol

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Its a tough one actually..

ignore the shove … lets put him on a hand …

I dont think he has aces ..or he would have reraised preflop

a flush draw doesn’t make sense … u don’t check-raise out of position on a flush draw and lose the chance to flush if ur opponet 4 bets u… so i don’t think its a flush

Could he have a set? Possibly … maybe pocket 4s? Hence the flat call preflop…. but a shove doesnt still make sense … a pot sized bet is enough to get u of a flush draw..

i think he’s on a flush draw possibly with A of spades .. maybe a Q kicker…

So im putting him on AQ with A of spades… hence the check raise on the flop top pair top kicker….explains the flat call in BB.. AQ not strong enought to reraise an UTG raiser

I think Im calling!!

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P.S just noticed the raise was only 2XBB ..hence we cant say he had AQ :S ..could have anything .. lol

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Actually if you watch enough online games u will see that when an online tournament played down to around 1/10 players left, people tend to do 2 BB min raise only as the blind become huge, especially at UTG. Simply unlucky that opponent flop 2 pairs against your KK.

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