SNG / MTT

Medium pair facing an all in re-raise, 45 man SNG

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Game type: 45 man SNG, $75 buy in, Full Tilt
Stage of tourney: 31/45 remain
Avg stack: ~2100
Your image: Tight
Opponent’s image: No strong read
Your hand: 8♦8♣

The setup: You’ve been playing fairly tight so far in this 45 man NL SNG. You haven’t raised yet preflop. This hand you’re dealt 88 on the hijack. You make a 3x raise when the table folds to you. The CO folds.

The button thinks for a second and then shoves. The blinds fold. What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff
2.12.08 / 3pm

I assume most people will call this an easy fold, but I don’t think it’s that clear.

You’re getting about 1.4-1 on the call. I don’t think most players make this raise with AA or KK, and I think QQ probably makes a smaller raise as well. So, a tight range for the button would be 99 - JJ and AQo . Against that range you’re at 58 - 41 dog.

I think you can actually make a case for a much broader range. Look at it from the button’s perspective. You’re making a late position raise, so you don’t need to have much of a hand. The raise doesn’t seem to commit you at all. With your raise and the blinds, there’s 270 chips in the middle, which represents about 20% of the button’s stack. It’s also a smaller buy in, and people seem to go nuts with any pair and a lot of suited face cards in those. If you expand the range to any pair and KJs , you’re now a 56-43 favorite. Even against a more conservative range that includes only 77 , KQs and AJ , you’re a coniflip.

With a shorter stack that will lose resteal value in two blind levels, I don’t think you can afford to pass up the value in this call - unless you have a strong read that the button is a tight player.

What actually happened: You called and the button showed KJo. You won the race and doubled up.

BA
2.21.08 / 1am

My dwindling chip stack worries me… getting good odds on the call, the push would normally represent strength but its probably AK, AQ, AJ situation. I would definitely consider calling and half the time I would call. Toughy though.

kaimano
2.21.08 / 2am

The shove smells like TT, JJ, a strong hand that doesn’t want to see a flop. I fold and live another day.

KetszeriCs
2.21.08 / 3am

Thinking about the tourney not about just one hand, my process would be this: 22-77 is not really likely, a race is the most likely, the 99-JJ( maybe even QQ) is really possible. On the long run, it is near even money situation.
But what will happen if I fold? Maybe I’ll catch a decent hand in the next few orbits, and my clever opponents will play the same (raise me all-in knowing I fold easily). So the chances are fairly good to get my money in as a 7:3 favourite in the next 15 minutes.

drhoho
2.21.08 / 11am

I voted fold, but it is not my absolute answer.

There is really too little info imo.
Hero’s image has been stated, but not Villains. Has he done this shove before? Is he a skilled aggressive player, playing position more than his cards? That is, does it seem like he opens with any two when there is folded around to him in late position, making it more likely that he would make a play with a mediocre hand for FE.

Also: what is the SnG blind structure? (sry, but I never played at stars). I am told that I havent opened a hand yet. But is that only during the first level which just ended, or during several? Or during the few orbits Villain has sat at this table? Are the blinds about to be raised, making me more desperate?

I realise that this is the perfect resteal-spot for villain considering stacks and positions, why calling is absolutely an option.

But readless I fold.

bluesbread
2.21.08 / 12pm

You made a mistake by not pushing yourself. But it’s OK, you get to try to double up. Go for it. A race is fine at this point.

Billy
2.21.08 / 5pm

why was it a mistake doing a standard raise? 1200 in chips with the blinds at 30/60 isn’t a push spot preflop unless there’s a raise infront of you

steamy
2.21.08 / 8pm

why risk your game on a medium hand…i fold

Anonymous
2.21.08 / 10pm

I think that because it’s a turbo tourney you should be more inclined to call. The blinds will probably be higher the next time they get to you, and having a low stack really limits your ability to accumulate chips. Calling is the best play.

PFLion
2.25.08 / 11pm

The price isnt right at all with the blinds where they are for a race to be really justified, you can find a better spot to get them all in. I think that, along with the fact you could be a 4-1 dog makes it a fold against a opponent you dont have alot of info on.

Take more hands with the low level blinds.

Paul McGreevy
3.8.08 / 2am

Vilains hand range is TT+ AK maybe AQ. Any worse you would laugh at on $5 buy in sng. Get real, fold. You have plenty of time with stack/blind levels. Get your money in first, never call off your stack in a situation like this.

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