Tourney / NL

Overpair versus a minimum raise, final table bubble of the Sunday Million

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Game type: No limit tournament, Poker Stars Sunday Million
Stage of tourney: Final table bubble, 11 of ~7k remain
Avg stack: 6.5m
Your image: Fairly aggressive
Opponent’s image: Ultra-tight
Your hand: K♣K♥

This hand is taken from actual game play in the Poker Stars Sunday Million between pawelmaj and Gnuhunter. You’ll be standing in for pawelmaj.

The setup: You’ve been on a bit of a roller coaster the last hour, building and then losing a stack a couple of times in short order. You’ve been fairly active since play went shorthanded. Then the following hand comes up.

You’re dealt kings UTG. You raise to 2.5x the BB and the table folds to the BB, who calls. The flop comes all unders:

Q♠9♠2♦

The BB checks and you bet 800k into 1.1m. The BB minimum raises you.

The BB has been playing brutally tight the entire time you’ve been on the table with him. The large majority of his chips have come from showing down premium hands.

What’s your play?

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DHQ Staff
2.12.08 / 9pm

This is one of those spots that just makes me hate poker, pure and simple. The tight player calling the UTG raise from the BB suggests a fairly strong hand - probably pairs and big suited cards. The minimum check raise (which commits him to call with any reasonable draw) of the strong bet on a draw-heavy board (giving you great direct and implied odds should you have a draw) screams a monster hand. In short, it’s hard to imagine any realistic scenarios where this overpair is ahead, and there’s not many ways kings can improve here if they are behind.

If you bail now, you’ll still have a playable stack and a shot at a decent money jump when the tournament breaks to the final table.

Facing a tight opponent at this specific juncture of the tournament, I think you can make a pretty good case for folding here.

What actually happened: pawelmaj re-raised all in and Gnuhunter called, showing a set of twos, which held up to win the pot.

Greg
2.18.08 / 12am

Fold/All in decision.
I would probably have folded my kings, scared by TJs, QQ, even 99, but not 22 :)

Anonymous
2.18.08 / 12am

Given the fact your opponent has an ultra tight image and my experience in poker, my reaction straight away was that the bb called with 99 or 22 and hit a set. Im folding without any hesitation

Billy
2.18.08 / 2am

i chose raise, but that was before i realize the only reraise was a push. i like folding better… a min raise here looks super strong

kaimano
2.18.08 / 2am

fold. Sometimes you’ve to fold even the best hand

jhs
2.18.08 / 3am

its all gud saying fold in theory but in realistically i know 99.9% of players are puttin there money in with this hand . Its a i know im behind but i cant fold scenrio, so unless u completely trust ur instinctsand act on them kiss gud bye to this tourney

Rija
2.18.08 / 5am

I would just call there then pop him on the turn even though he’s a tight player. I play the game to win not just to make the final table and brag that I made 8th or 9th place. lol….

VoltaSector9
2.18.08 / 10am

I tend to think that had the raise preflop had been more substantial than 2.5x BB those deuces would be in the muck. Even though 22 had a larger stack and you’re assuming the roll of the short stack, you can’t think he’d call a stronger raise from 1st position with deuces, but given the board, a fold is definately a good choice. What can you beat there JJ? Doubtful he’s min-poppin’ with that, but that’s just my take. :-)

_CityBorn_
2.18.08 / 11am

I voted call. We could be behind a set or AA, but ahead of A/Q, JJ, or TT. We have an aggressive image and his play could be a response to that. Given his ultra-tight image though, Im going to play this as carefully as possible. If you just call here, you can read the situation a lot better on the turn. If he leads out on the turn, hes not scared of being behind and its easier to let it go, youre probably up against AA or a set. If he checks or bets small, I call or check behind, and call any reasonable river bet. Im not scared of giving him a chance to improve, and Id like to show down for as cheap as possible (which he’s likely to give me if he has a monster and wants to make sure he doesn’t scare me off).

thailer
2.18.08 / 1pm

Agree with the staff, what a brutal decision.
Someone above said that in reality most players would not be able to get away from this hand and I agree with that. I don’t like the “call” option as would wouldn’t you hate life if you were being re-raised by AQ and an Ace fell on the river? It’s raise or fold and I voted raised and went to the rail.

Easley20
2.18.08 / 2pm

If I were sitting at this table in the tourny, I don’t believe I could get away from KK on this board. I’m hoping he has Aq. But the DHQ staff makes a great point. After reading their input, a fold would be a better decision since we still have a playable chip stack. And a tight player such as he wouldn’t be playing Aq against an under the gun raiser.

weirdo
2.18.08 / 7pm

If ultra-tight BB calls your bet, then bets out on this flop, I dont think its QQ - rather I’m more inclined to think it is 99. The read just says ultra-tight - it doesn’t say passive or aggressive or anything like that. It looks like a fold to me given the read.

weirdo
2.18.08 / 7pm

sorry, i meant check raise on the flop

Chad Gerson
2.18.08 / 10pm

If the opponent were as tight as the setup said, he wouldn’t even have played 22 to a UTG raise. Though the raise should have been larger.

I push in this situation. I think the assumptions that we are beaten are overstated. If someone has hit a set so be it, it happens. But it’s just as likely that the opponent is using his tight image to push you out when he is just on a draw or has only top pair. He didn’t get this far playing only premium hands unless he’s been very lucky in his hole cards in this tourney.

And your stack is playable, yes, but not comfortable by any means. From the information given there is more money sitting on the other remaining table, making you the short stack or maybe 2nd-shortest. You’ve got KK on an under flop. Double up or hit the rail.

MCbosco
2.18.08 / 11pm

I choose raise here because he might have a strong hand like Ace Queen. But he didnt bet because he knows I’m agressive so he waits for me to bet.

alekhine11
2.19.08 / 2am

I go with Chad.

Ultra tight but calls and UTG raise with 22.
99 would have raised preflop,so QQ and AA.
All in.

Paul McGreevy
2.19.08 / 4am

At this stage in the tournament you cant pussy foot around with conservative play. Things just have to go your way or your out.

He’s holding a set, AQ or AA, or flush draw.
He would have reraised QQ KK therefore they are excluded.
He would have called with 99 22 AQ broadway/suited cards and maybe AA.
Only 3 hands are beating you many more are not
That puts the odds in your favour

To quote the above

” it’s just as likely that the opponent is using his tight image to push you out when he is just on a draw or has only top pair. He didn’t get this far playing only premium hands unless he’s been very lucky in his hole cards in this tourney.”

Call the raise. If no ace or flush card comes on the turn hope he bets and push whether he bets or not.

DONKEYHERDER
2.19.08 / 5pm

I know I’ll take alot of heat for just calling but…At this stage of the tourney I’d be more focused on making sure I win the pot regardless of size and I really prefer making a pot size bet on the flop to show I’m committed to the pot and I won’t fold to a raise over the top which might get a few drawers to fold. I like to would play to win and not grind into the money. Since he did decide to bet less than the pot I figure the opponent is most likely to call an allin anyways, so I figure you might as well call the min reraise and see if you dodge any spades, 8’s, or a King of spades. It would be a much easier fold after the turn if not and you’d still have about 900k left enough to shove into 160k blinds.

catcher
3.4.08 / 4am

I agree that check-minraise looks super super strong here, and I would curse my luck but let the cowboys go. BB really wants you to call or raise here, and that combined with the remark that we’re facing a very tight player means that we’re drawing to 2 outs, as I suppose AQ would have led out rather than checkraised here.

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